This is what Sean McVay Had to Say After Losing to the Bears

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, pantherclaw said:

I haven't seen Rivera ever deflect accountability. It's one of the reasons the players love him, is his accountability.  The rest of you are definitely grasping at straws saying Rivera isn't accountable.  Makes me wonder if you even pay attention. 

I know, it doesn't meet the hurdles narrative. 

 

Here's a simple challenge: Find a clip of a press conference where Rivera says something similar to what McVay said.

Having watched a load of Rivera press conference is over the years, I can tell you the only thing I remember even coming close is last week when he said "maybe it's on us". The vast majority of the time, he always blames "execution", "mistakes" and "missed opportunities" by the players.

Rivera's an extremely likable guy, but he's just not a good head coach.

[KaseKlosed]

He's only saying this because he is 2nd in thr NFC right now. He would not say this if he was 6-8. Get realistic people 

[Pimpdaddy]

2 hours ago, CRA said:

and in all honesty, we aren't losing games in 2018 because of coaching.   Firing coaches doesn't change the fact we are slow and bad in the secondary overall.  That we are unproductive on the DL.   I mean you can scheme up pressure but you can't coach around that.  It will be exposed in the NFL.  We have a legit talent issue on defense.    They can't execute what is needed at this level even when in great position by coaches. 

same goes for O.  Coaches actually put the O in great position overall on the year.  Problem pretty much is only our QB's arm is fugged.  Staff has still put our players in position to win almost every game and the players have imploded in those moments.  No amount of effort by Cam is going to fix his arm in season.   Pretty amazing the positions we have been in given how poo tastic our OL talent is as well. 

I've grown tired of Ron in lots of ways.  But coaching changes don't fix this team.  Talent does. 

 

....after I sobered up.... common sense prevails. but 3-4 plays converted at the right time in most of the games we lost we could easily be 11-2....its a fine line.

[mc52beast]

3 hours ago, beastson said:

Smh

It's okay to be critical of Cam, but be respectful. He put his body on the line which I think he should stop, but he does. He also put the blame on himself and gets blamed by his HC

TD also accepted blame, said to put it all on him. We’ve had Rivera for almost a decade and I can’t remember him ever saying something close to what Sean said

[KillerKat]

This is exactly what Ron should be saying. Instead he throws the team under the bus every chances he gets.

[KillerKat]

2 hours ago, trueblade said:

It is possible he's a decent coach who would have gone 8-8 most years, but who got elevated by all world talents? Almost half of Ron's career wins came in just two years, 2013 and 2015. (27 of 64 or 42% if I'm doing my math right). That would have been Cam's 3rd and 5th years and Luke's 2nd and 4th years. Cam and Luke were really coming into their own as players. Cam and Luke were at the top of their game mentally and physically. 2016, Cam hurt his shoulder and Luke missed the final six games with a concussion (6-10). Those two were healthy again in 2017 (11-5), but Cam got hurt in Pittsburgh this year and we haven't won a game since.

I've spoke with my dad about this. Rivera would've been fired 5 years ago if not for Cam and Luke. Don't just think of them as the best at their positions in our history. Think of it in terms of NFL history. Rivera was given TWO once in a lifetime generational talents, one on each side of the ball. They have carried his ass and saved him so many times. 

[The Natural]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's not an opinion. It's an objective fact. Every single season where Ron Rivera made the playoffs, he did so with a roster that was built by Dave Gettleman.

As a combo, Ron Rivera and Marty Hurney have never even achieved a winning season, much less the playoffs. Doesn't exactly look like that's going to change this year either. 

Basically, Hurney took an 11-5 team left to him by Gettleman and within a year turned it into what we see now. And here we are again, in pretty much exactly the same spot we were when Hurney and Rivera worked together the last time.

Now you can go through a thousand mental gymnastics to try and explain these facts away, but you can't deny the reality. The fact that you continually attempt to do so stains your credibility and any claim you might try to make to being objective.

Dave Gettleman let go of some of your favorite players. I get it. I just don't care.

What I do care about is that when he was in charge here, we won. Now he's not, and we're not.

It's time to clean house.

Your obsession with Dave Gettleman is creepy. The guy sucked. 

[Pimpdaddy]

4 hours ago, The Natural said:

Your obsession with Dave Gettleman is creepy. The guy sucked. 

im tellin ya...that Kalil deal was a fug you to JR...no reputable GM  would have made that deal...jeez....then what does Marty do...make it fugging worse.

[top dawg]

6 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's not an opinion. It's an objective fact. Every single season where Ron Rivera made the playoffs, he did so with a roster that was built by Dave Gettleman.

As a combo, Ron Rivera and Marty Hurney have never even achieved a winning season, much less the playoffs. Doesn't exactly look like that's going to change this year either. 

Basically, Hurney took an 11-5 team left to him by Gettleman and within a year turned it into what we see now. And here we are again, in pretty much exactly the same spot we were when Hurney and Rivera worked together the last time.

Now you can go through a thousand mental gymnastics to try and explain these facts away, but you can't deny the reality. The fact that you continually attempt to do so stains your credibility and any claim you might try to make to being objective.

Dave Gettleman let go of some of your favorite players. I get it. I just don't care.

What I do care about is that when he was in charge here, we won. Now he's not, and we're not.

It's time to clean house.

OK, it’s also an "objective fact" that Rivera won games despite Gettleman, not because of him. 

Also, you should cease with the Gettleman-got-rid-of-your-favorite-player point. I was never upset about him letting 89 walk, but how he did it, and I said as much way back when. Gettleman made crappy, eye-raising personnel decisions in regards to the draft and free agency, and that was my problem with him. His team building sucked! All your mental gymnastics aren't going to change that "objective fact."

[juliosantos]

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, top dawg said:

OK, it’s also an "objective fact" that Rivera won games despite Gettleman, not because of him. 

Also, you should cease with the Gettleman-got-rid-of-your-favorite-player point. I was never upset about him letting 89 walk, but how he did it, and I said as much way back when. Gettleman made crappy, eye-raising personnel decisions in regards to the draft and free agency, and that was my problem with him. His team building sucked! All your mental gymnastics aren't going to change that "objective fact."

No, that's actually an opinion, and it's a stupid one.

But accepting that moronic premise, if Rivera is such a strong coach that he could win in spite of Gettleman, then given their combined record, Marty Hurney must be the sh-ttiest GM in history

[Pimpdaddy]

6 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

I haven't seen Rivera ever deflect accountability. It's one of the reasons the players love him, is his accountability.  The rest of you are definitely grasping at straws saying Rivera isn't accountable.  Makes me wonder if you even pay attention. 

I know, it doesn't meet the hurdles narrative. 

 

LMFAO>>>

[pantherclaw]

6 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Here's a simple challenge: Find a clip of a press conference where Rivera says something similar to what McVay said.

I honestly don't care if he ever says anything remotely similar to what McVay said. 

Making a mountain out of a mole hill. 

[ellis]

All of this is relatively meaningless.