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[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, Car123 said:

I'm not sure what website you get your roster info from,  but win-loss isn't a football position. 

Only position that got worse is DT. Jackson is better than Worley, Reid is better than Coleman. Coaching and age is why this team is failing.

Have you watched Jackson recently?

And no, DT isn't the only spot. I didn't believe we could get worse at left tackle, but we did. If it weren't for Norv, Cam might be injured worse than he already is. And I'd add our safety position isn't as improved as people like to think (which was pretty obvious if you watched yesterday).

But more to the point, there were problems that went unaddressed (pass rush, for example). And despite saying that he wasn't going to be emotional about player decisions, Hurney still overpaid Ryan Kalil for what's basically a farewell tour. We hung onto Peppers for a year too long as well. Not to mention believing that Olsen and Davis had more left in the tank than they actually did.

And again, Win-loss is the only measure that matters. Nobody keeps records on drafts, free agency or any of that. All that matters is whether or not you won.

You can try all you want to make something else matter more than that, but nothing ever will.

[Car123]

11 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Have you watched Jackson recently?

And no, DT isn't the only spot. I didn't believe we could get worse at left tackle, but we did. If it weren't for Norv, Cam might be injured worse than he already is. And I'd add our safety position isn't as improved as people like to think (which was pretty obvious if you watched yesterday).

But more to the point, there were problems that went unaddressed (pass rush, for example). and despite saying that he wasn't going to be emotional about player decisions, Hurney still overpaid Ryan Kalil for what's basically a farewell tour. We hung onto Peppers for a year too long as well. Not to mention believing that Olsen and Davis had more left in the tank than they actually did.

And again, Win-loss is the only measure that matters. Nobody keeps records on drafts, free agency or any of that. All that matters is whether or not you won.

You can try all you want to make something else matter more than that, but nothing ever will.

You're so obtuse dude hahaha. You don't believe what you just posted. Kalil is fuging injured. We had no choice but to sign a shitty FA LT. With all of that - Clark is a huge upgrade! You're the only person who wants Matt Kalil to start over Clark. 

Who would have replaced Peppers? Daeshan Hall? Lmao

You think Mayo is good enough to replace Davis?

Ryan Kalil has been our best lineman.

You better have a good replacement before you get rid of leaders. That was Gettleman's biggest problem.

Jackson has had a rough couple of weeks but it's expected. He's been one of the best rookies this season.

[TN05]

35 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Bottom Line: We won with Gettleman way better than we ever did with Hurney. Gettleman is gone, and a year after being gifted a playoff quality roster,  Hurney turned it to sh-t.

We got exactly as far with Gettleman as we did with Hurney, in almost the same amount of time. The only difference? Hurney inherited the 2001 disaster team. Gettleman inherited a 7-9 2012 team with a Hall of Fame quarterback and linebacker. We made the Super Bowl in 2015, lost, and then dropped to 6-10 because he wanted to prove his d*ck was bigger than Josh Norman's agent. We then proceeded to get our worst bust since Rashard Anderson (Vernon Butler) and three corners (only one of which is even half-decent) and are still scrambling to fix the secondary, just like we were scrambling to fix our receiving corps after he got rid of every wide receiver in 2014. Gettleman was a cocky assh*t who felt he could get by with scrubs at skill positions and it outright killed us in 2 seasons (2014 and 2016). His arrogance caught up to him and now we're stuck with an aging roster because of a half-decade of sub-par drafts. Thank god we fired him before he could re-sign Kelvin Benjamin.

And yes, Hurney missed the playoffs a lot too. The fact we didn't make the playoffs in half of Hurney's years was due to injury - 2004 when our entire team was on IR and we still were a field goal away from the playoffs, and 2007 when we lost Jake Delhomme, who was playing at near MVP level. That doesn't excuse the huge contracts or 2009 and 2010 drafts, it doesn't excuse the waste that was the 2006 season - because unlike Gettleman fans, I can admit Hurney has made mistakes. Lots of them. Fireable ones.

2014 almost killed us as a team and 2016 basically killed us. This is what happens when your GM believes that you can plug any hole with scrubs off the street and still win. Remember Brenton Bersin? Kaelin Clay? Russell Shepard? The one legit WR free agent we signed, Ted Ginn, was thrown to the curb because he wanted a tiny raise. We might have won that Saints game in 2017 if we had him out there instead of Bersin and Clay.

[Car123]

2 minutes ago, TN05 said:

We got exactly as far with Gettleman as we did with Hurney, in almost the same amount of time. The only difference? Hurney inherited the 2001 disaster team. Gettleman inherited a 7-9 2012 team with a Hall of Fame quarterback and linebacker. We made the Super Bowl in 2015, lost, and then dropped to 6-10 because he wanted to prove his d*ck was bigger than Josh Norman's agent. We then proceeded to get our worst bust since Rashard Anderson (Vernon Butler) and three corners (only one of which is even half-decent) and are still scrambling to fix the secondary, just like we were scrambling to fix our receiving corps after he got rid of every wide receiver in 2014. Gettleman was a cocky assh*t who felt he could get by with scrubs at skill positions and it outright killed us in 2 seasons (2014 and 2016). His arrogance caught up to him and now we're stuck with an aging roster because of a half-decade of sub-par drafts. Thank god we fired him before he could re-sign Kelvin Benjamin.

And yes, Hurney missed the playoffs a lot too. The fact we didn't make the playoffs in half of Hurney's years was due to injury - 2004 when our entire team was on IR and we still were a field goal away from the playoffs, and 2007 when we lost Jake Delhomme, who was playing at near MVP level. That doesn't excuse the huge contracts or 2009 and 2010 drafts, it doesn't excuse the waste that was the 2006 season - because unlike Gettleman fans, I can admit Hurney has made mistakes. Lots of them. Fireable ones.

My thoughts exactly.

2004 and 2007 shouldn't be put on Hurney. With Smith, Jenkins, Davis, Foster, etc we would have made the playoffs in 2004. One of my favorite seasons. That team had heart.

2007 was unfortunate. Losing Delhomme was devastating.

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, Car123 said:

You're so obtuse dude hahaha. You don't believe what you just posted. Kalil is fuging injured. We had no choice but to sign a shitty FA LT. With all of that - Clark is a huge upgrade! You're the only person who wants Matt Kalil to start over Clark. 

Who would have replaced Peppers? Daeshan Hall? Lmao

You think Mayo is good enough to replace Davis?

Ryan Kalil has been our best lineman.

You better have a good replacement before you get rid of leaders. That was Gettleman's biggest problem.

Jackson has had a rough couple of weeks but it's expected. He's been one of the best rookies this season.

Calling Clark a huge upgrade doesn't say a lot for your talent evaluation skills. Clark is garbage.

Hall wasn't a pick I liked, but that doesn't make the decision to roll with what we have any better.

And 2015 happened after our "leaders" we're let go.

The main thing you're still missing though is that the problem isn't just Hurney. It's true that Hurney is a lousy GM, and if he's fired again no one else in the league will look at him, same as before.

But the bigger problem is Hurney and Rivera together.

Gettleman at least had strengths in areas where Rivera didn't. Hurney and Rivera have a lot of the same weaknesses. That's a recipe for disaster.

You could say roll with one of the two, but given that they both shown they're not up to their respective tasks, why would you? Objectively, neither one of them are good enough for the jobs they have. Hence, why I want to get rid of them both and start fresh.

[Mr. Scot]

13 minutes ago, TN05 said:

We got exactly as far with Gettleman as we did with Hurney, in almost the same amount of time. The only difference? Hurney inherited the 2001 disaster team. Gettleman inherited a 7-9 2012 team with a Hall of Fame quarterback and linebacker. We made the Super Bowl in 2015, lost, and then dropped to 6-10 because he wanted to prove his d*ck was bigger than Josh Norman's agent. We then proceeded to get our worst bust since Rashard Anderson (Vernon Butler) and three corners (only one of which is even half-decent) and are still scrambling to fix the secondary, just like we were scrambling to fix our receiving corps after he got rid of every wide receiver in 2014. Gettleman was a cocky assh*t who felt he could get by with scrubs at skill positions and it outright killed us in 2 seasons (2014 and 2016). His arrogance caught up to him and now we're stuck with an aging roster because of a half-decade of sub-par drafts. Thank god we fired him before he could re-sign Kelvin Benjamin.

And yes, Hurney missed the playoffs a lot too. The fact we didn't make the playoffs in half of Hurney's years was due to injury - 2004 when our entire team was on IR and we still were a field goal away from the playoffs, and 2007 when we lost Jake Delhomme, who was playing at near MVP level. That doesn't excuse the huge contracts or 2009 and 2010 drafts, it doesn't excuse the waste that was the 2006 season - because unlike Gettleman fans, I can admit Hurney has made mistakes. Lots of them. Fireable ones.

Hurney inherited an 11-5 playoff team this time around. A year later, we're 6-7, set to miss the playoffs and might even said a milestone by being the first team to ever start 6-2 and finish 6-10.

As to Gettleman, he managed to get us there with Ron Rivera as head coach. What we're now learning is just how big of a feat that actually was.

If you want an example, how about the fact that with Marty Hurney as GM, John Fox actually has a better winning percentage than Ron Rivera does. That's even with the 2010 season factored in.

That tells me a lot.

[Cpt slay a ho]

How is the kalil signing on jr? I just watch DG do the same exact thing with Nate Solder in Ny 

[Toomers]

11 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Hurney inherited an 11-5 playoff team this time around. A year later, we're 6-7, set to miss the playoffs and might even said a milestone by being the first team to ever start 6-2 and finish 6-10.

As to Gettleman, he managed to get us there with Ron Rivera as head coach. What we're now learning is just how big of a feat that actually was.

If you want an example, how about the fact that with Marty Hurney as GM, John Fox actually has a better winning percentage than Ron Rivera does. That's even with the 2010 season factored in.

That tells me a lot.

  And if it wasn’t for a miracle FG from Gano, the Giants would have a better record than we do. Let that sink in. 

[TN05]

26 minutes ago, Car123 said:

My thoughts exactly.

2004 and 2007 shouldn't be put on Hurney. With Smith, Jenkins, Davis, Foster, etc we would have made the playoffs in 2004. One of my favorite seasons. That team had heart.

The 2004 Panthers could have legitimately made a Super Bowl run towards the end. Nick Goings and Moose had career years!

[heel31ok]

22 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Hurney inherited an 11-5 playoff team this time around. A year later, we're 6-7, set to miss the playoffs and might even said a milestone by being the first team to ever start 6-2 and finish 6-10.

As to Gettleman, he managed to get us there with Ron Rivera as head coach. What we're now learning is just how big of a feat that actually was.

If you want an example, how about the fact that with Marty Hurney as GM, John Fox actually has a better winning percentage than Ron Rivera does. That's even with the 2010 season factored in.

That tells me a lot.

he supplied the needed players so I say he did his job ...

[TN05]

26 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Hurney inherited an 11-5 playoff team this time around. A year later, we're 6-7, set to miss the playoffs and might even said a milestone by being the first team to ever start 6-2 and finish 6-10.

And why are we set to do that? That 2017 team was old. It's like 1996: we built old in hopes of winning, didn't do it, and then slid back. This is all on Gettleman for not drafting talent. It's not Hurney's fault the secondary sucks or the line sucks - he actually nailed our secondary pick (Jackson) and free agent signing (Reid). It's all Gettleman guys that are slacking - Munnerlynn, Elder, Reid, Adams, etc. 

On the offensive line, it's a similar story - we had issues at tackle that we never fixed and we don't have depth. Receiver is a huge upgrade this year, with DJ Moore and Jairus Wright both being contributors. 

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As to Gettleman, he managed to get us there with Ron Rivera as head coach. What we're now learning is just how big of a feat that actually was.

If you want an example, how about the fact that with Marty Hurney as GM, John Fox actually has a better winning percentage than Ron Rivera does. That's even with the 2010 season factored in.

That tells me a lot.

John Fox was 53-51 (.507) with us and 133-123 on his career (.520). Rivera is 70-54-1 (.564) with us. Rivera has also made the playoffs in four years as opposed to three for Fox in fewer years. Not remotely the same.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, TN05 said:

And why are we set to do that? That 2017 team was old. It's like 1996: we built old in hopes of winning, didn't do it, and then slid back. This is all on Gettleman for not drafting talent.

John Fox was 53-51 (.507) with us and 133-123 on his career (.520). Rivera is 70-54-1 (.564) with us. Not remotely the same.

Weren't set to do it. Did it.

And I said under Hurney. Take the five years of Gettleman rosters away from Rivera and try again.

[TN05]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Weren't set to do it. Did it.

And I said under Hurney. Take the five years of Gettleman rosters away from Rivera and try again.

Gettleman rosters? Lmao. His drafts were generally garbage, his UFDA sense was great, and his free agents were generally bad. The performing players were almost all Hurney holdovers - Cam, Olsen, Davis, Kalil, and Kuechly. That's the core of the 2015 team. The 2013 playoff team was entirely Hurney for the most part.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, TN05 said:

Gettleman rosters? Lmao. His drafts were generally garbage, his UFDA sense was great, and his free agents were generally bad. The performing players were almost all Hurney holdovers - Cam, Olsen, Davis, Kalil, and Kuechly. That's the core of the 2015 team. The 2013 playoff team was entirely Hurney for the most part.

Nice attempt at a dodge, but you're really not very good at this.

Keep trying though. It's good for a laugh, at least.