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[TN05]

4 hours ago, Car123 said:

So 3 bad drafts in a row didn't contribute to this season?

To Gettleman fans, this is simple: everything good is because of Gettleman, everything bad is because of Hurney and Rivera. It's impossible to reason with these people. They can't admit his garbage drafts were bad, they can't admit he screwed us over with his d*ck-wagging contest with Norman's agent, and they can't admit he wanted to re-sign Benjamin despite the fact he was very, very bad - all while letting Ted Ginn go over a small amount of money.

The guy had some skills. He was very good at not spending money, until he wasn't (see: Matt Kalil). He was good at getting UDFAs (but his drafts were bad). He was the right GM for a time and now he isn't.

[Cpt slay a ho]

36 minutes ago, TN05 said:

To Gettleman fans, this is simple: everything good is because of Gettleman, everything bad is because of Hurney and Rivera. It's impossible to reason with these people. They can't admit his garbage drafts were bad, they can't admit he screwed us over with his d*ck-wagging contest with Norman's agent, and they can't admit he wanted to re-sign Benjamin despite the fact he was very, very bad - all while letting Ted Ginn go over a small amount of money.

The guy had some skills. He was very good at not spending money, until he wasn't (see: Matt Kalil). He was good at getting UDFAs (but his drafts were bad). He was the right GM for a time and now he isn't.

This should be pinned

[SmokinwithWilly]

16 hours ago, TN05 said:

To Gettleman fans, this is simple: everything good is because of Gettleman, everything bad is because of Hurney and Rivera. It's impossible to reason with these people. They can't admit his garbage drafts were bad, they can't admit he screwed us over with his d*ck-wagging contest with Norman's agent, and they can't admit he wanted to re-sign Benjamin despite the fact he was very, very bad - all while letting Ted Ginn go over a small amount of money.

The guy had some skills. He was very good at not spending money, until he wasn't (see: Matt Kalil). He was good at getting UDFAs (but his drafts were bad). He was the right GM for a time and now he isn't.

He had strengths and weaknesses, just like every other GM. He made some horrific choices in the draft in hindsight, but I think he at least had a plan for the future when he made those picks. Letting Ginn walk, bad move. Re-signing KB would have been a bad move after watching his implosion. Norman I go 50/50 on because I think Norman and Gman were both at fault in that arena. The Kalil contract was a massive whiff, but I think JR had something to do with it, especially considering he was fired for not wanting to re-sign Olsen and TD (Shaq pick). Still, it wasn't a good move and he shouldn't have done it. Hurney 1.0 did some things well as GM, and some pretty bad things too. His draft day trades were just awful. 

The biggest issue I have is that Rivera was/is terrible at player evaluation. Everyone for years said Gettleman never addressed the oline, when he did, Rivera just wouldn't put them on the field. There may have been good players at several positions that we drafted that slipped through the cracks because they couldn't get on the damn field because some worthless vet was out there when someone bigger, faster, more talented was riding the pine. Rivera's unflinching loyalty in the face of damning evidence to the contrary has always been my biggest criticism of him for years. 

Gettleman and Hurney 1.0 were both great in certain areas and poo'd the bed in others. Hurney 2.0 has yet to be decided. 

[PghPanther]

21 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Yeah, after we went 11-5 last season, no one foresaw anything but doom and gloom this year 

Go back to the start of this season. Hell, go back to the middle of this season. The majority of the board was calling Super Bowl.

I predicted this team would go 8-8 before the season started..............a blind man could have seen this organization has problems.

[ras977]

19 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Poe weighs 350 plus but regularly gets pushed around and today got dragged about three yards for a first down by Nick Chubb. An Atlanta radio guy prior to the season said he wasn't as good as we were paying him and he'd disappoint us as a starter. He was right.

Torrey Smith got us maybe one good game, but what he did more than anything else this season was keep younger, better receivers from getting more playing time.

Eric Reid works in a Ron Rivera defense against a traditional NFL attack. With a newer coach, he may not have a role. And against newer offenses, he's not what you need.

Granted, he's no Eddie Jackson, but as long as teams run the ball, he'll have a spot.

[thefuzz]

It's pretty apparent who understands football when looking at who is or is not good at being an NFL GM, and those who do not.

 

To the DG didn't address the O Line folks:  He only brought in Oher, Moton, Williams, Norwell, Turner, etc.  Yes, he brought in Kalil 2, but the longer that plays out, the more I am almost positive that was a JR thing.

To the rest of the offense:  Armah, CMC, Samuel, Ginn, KB, Funchess, etc....held firm on not extending Olsen (correct move) and got poo canned for it.

DT that Hurney had mismanaged for damn near a decade?  Yup fixed that too for 5 years, Hurney did get the chance to mess that up, and succeeded.

Let's also please not undercut that he was able to extend Cam at a VERY good deal, and left us some outs in the case of major injuries...I fully expect Hurney to ruin that if he's not canned early in the offseason.

End of the day, DG hurt peoples feel good.  Cut their beloved Steve Smith and gave away a Super Bowl by not bowing to the wishes of a 1st time agent, and loudmouth....P.S. Wash is really wishing Norman wasn't on the payroll right now.

He wasn't perfect, none are, but Hurney is God awful.

[Car123]

12 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

It's pretty apparent who understands football when looking at who is or is not good at being an NFL GM, and those who do not.

 

To the DG didn't address the O Line folks:  He only brought in Oher, Moton, Williams, Norwell, Turner, etc.  Yes, he brought in Kalil 2, but the longer that plays out, the more I am almost positive that was a JR thing.

To the rest of the offense:  Armah, CMC, Samuel, Ginn, KB, Funchess, etc....held firm on not extending Olsen (correct move) and got poo canned for it.

DT that Hurney had mismanaged for damn near a decade?  Yup fixed that too for 5 years, Hurney did get the chance to mess that up, and succeeded.

Let's also please not undercut that he was able to extend Cam at a VERY good deal, and left us some outs in the case of major injuries...I fully expect Hurney to ruin that if he's not canned early in the offseason.

End of the day, DG hurt peoples feel good.  Cut their beloved Steve Smith and gave away a Super Bowl by not bowing to the wishes of a 1st time agent, and loudmouth....P.S. Wash is really wishing Norman wasn't on the payroll right now.

He wasn't perfect, none are, but Hurney is God awful.

What proof is there that JR was involved with the Kalil signing? 

Armah barely enters the game. I don't know why people say he's is a hit. Any FA fullback can do what he does. KB and Fun Fun were detrimental to our offense. Not sure how listing them helps your argument.

Hyperbole much? I can admit that Hurney had 3 bad offseason in a row 09-11. Besides that stretch he was a very solid GM. Playoff wins/Super Bowl appearance. Fact is we weren't relevant until he became GM.

Can you admit that the awful 14-16 drafts contributed to our current season?

[thefuzz]

10 minutes ago, Car123 said:

What proof is there that JR was involved with the Kalil signing? 

Armah barely enters the game. I don't know why people say he's is a hit. Any FA fullback can do what he does. KB and Fun Fun were detrimental to our offense. Not sure how listing them helps your argument.

Hyperbole much? I can admit that Hurney had 3 bad offseason in a row 09-11. Besides that stretch he was a very solid GM. Playoff wins/Super Bowl appearance. Fact is we weren't relevant until he became GM.

Can you admit that the awful 14-16 drafts contributed to our current season?

There is no proof of JR tampering, however there is no proof of DG getting fired because he didn't want to extend Olsen and TD.

However, what other free agent did Dave Gettleman bring in and give a contract even remotely similar to Kalil's?  Just a single one.

KB was a 1k receiver as a rook, on a run first team, and then seemingly injury derailed his career, and still netted us a 3 and a 7, not bad for an end of the round WR.

Funchess has been a solid, player for us, not great, but better than any WR that Marty Hurney ever drafted to play for the Panthers.

No, Hurney being an awful GM has nothing to do with hyperbole.  He is, was, and will always be awful.

I'm not a fan of DG's drafts those years, but we do have a number of starters out of those 3 years, and injury likely screwed us out of a few more.

Can you admit that the 17 draft was a very good one?

Were you on this board when Otah was drafted?  When Hurney handed out the massive contracts after an awful season?  When "double trouble" was re-signed to absurd contracts?  When we drafted guys like Jarrett, and Edwards?  How about Marty's amazing success in the 2nd round?

A GM's job isn't just the draft, it's just a piece of the puzzle.  

[propagandamachine]

Dang you girls are seeeeennnsitive. Meanwhile ...we have a sick wide receiving core... Our quarterback will be back ... Apparently an offensive line. 

 

I'm thankful for that 

[Car123]

4 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

There is no proof of JR tampering, however there is no proof of DG getting fired because he didn't want to extend Olsen and TD.

However, what other free agent did Dave Gettleman bring in and give a contract even remotely similar to Kalil's?  Just a single one.

KB was a 1k receiver as a rook, on a run first team, and then seemingly injury derailed his career, and still netted us a 3 and a 7, not bad for an end of the round WR.

Funchess has been a solid, player for us, not great, but better than any WR that Marty Hurney ever drafted to play for the Panthers.

No, Hurney being an awful GM has nothing to do with hyperbole.  He is, was, and will always be awful.

I'm not a fan of DG's drafts those years, but we do have a number of starters out of those 3 years, and injury likely screwed us out of a few more.

Can you admit that the 17 draft was a very good one?

Were you on this board when Otah was drafted?  When Hurney handed out the massive contracts after an awful season?  When "double trouble" was re-signed to absurd contracts?  When we drafted guys like Jarrett, and Edwards?  How about Marty's amazing success in the 2nd round?

A GM's job isn't just the draft, it's just a piece of the puzzle.  

And Hurney never gave out a stupid massive contract until he signed Delhomme. The kalil signing could have been the first of many massive signings. 

KB is a bust. Most of his stats in his rookie season came in garbage time. Funches is the worst #1 receiver we've ever had. Lafell is better than him. Hurney drafted Moore in the late 1st and he's looking like a future top 5 WR.

17 was a good draft.

Otah was a good pick. He's the best run blocking lineman we've ever had.

No GMs hits on every draft pick so listing failed picks is pretty pointless. Hurney's drafts between 02-08 were decent overall.

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, Car123 said:

And Hurney never gave out a stupid massive contract until he signed Delhomme. The kalil signing could have been the first of many massive signings. 

KB is a bust. Most of his stats in his rookie season came in garbage time. Funches is the worst #1 receiver we've ever had. Lafell is better than him. Hurney drafted Moore in the late 1st and he's looking like a future top 5 WR.

17 was a good draft.

Otah was a good pick. He's the best run blocking lineman we've ever had.

No GMs hits on every draft pick so listing failed picks is pretty pointless. Hurney's drafts between 02-08 were decent overall.

Hurney gave out several cap killing contracts after the lockout. That's not theoretical.  It happened.

As to Hurney's drafts, if you think Hurney's 02 to 08 drafts (especially the 05 through 07 ones) were "decent", you might need to recheck who we picked

 

[Car123]

15 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Hurney gave out several cap killing contracts after the lockout. That's not theoretical.  It happened.

As to Hurney's drafts, if you think Hurney's 02 to 08 drafts (especially the 05 through 07 ones) were "decent", you might need to recheck who we picked

 

What's bad about 06 and  07?

06 gave us DeAngelo Williams, Richard Marshall (5 times better than Worley), James Anderson (better player than Shaq), Jeff King (good run blocking TE who had a pretty long career).

07 gave us Jon Beason, Ryan "the good" Kalil, Charles Johnson, Dante Rosario (good #2 TE). 2 all-pro players and Charles freaking Johnson. 

[Squirrel]

1 hour ago, Car123 said:

What's bad about 06 and  07?

06 gave us DeAngelo Williams, Richard Marshall (5 times better than Worley), James Anderson (better player than Shaq), Jeff King (good run blocking TE who had a pretty long career).

07 gave us Jon Beason, Ryan "the good" Kalil, Charles Johnson, Dante Rosario (good #2 TE). 2 all-pro players and Charles freaking Johnson. 

You forgot  Delhomme asinine contract. Signing both Dwil and Stewart's to contracts taking up a quarter of the cap. When running backs could be gotten for a dime a dozen. 

[Car123]

4 minutes ago, Squirrel said:

You forgot  Delhomme asinine contract. Signing both Dwil and Stewart's to contracts taking up a quarter of the cap. When running backs could be gotten for a dime a dozen. 

He was bad between 09-11 and rightfully got fired. 

People seem to forget his good years. Those years put him way ahead of Gettleman. We got legends after legends. The closest thing to a legend in DG's tenure is Short and he stinks. CMC maybe.