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[Mr. Scot]

I like Will Brinson, but I disagree completely with the notion that the Panthers job would come with lower expectations. 

That might be true if Jerry Richardson were still in charge, but David Tepper doesn't seem like a guy who's okay with just being "okay".

And to the suggestion of Caserio and McDaniels...oy.

Caserio you might be able to talk me into, but taking people from New England always makes me nervous because they never seem to succeed outside of that environment.

McDaniels as a head coach? Not a fan. And as mentioned, the Steelers don't hire retreads so I question whether Tepper would look in that direction anyway.

[Mikey818]

2 minutes ago, mjligon said:

Have you watched our games this season? Are you blind?

Cam missed a throw on a 2pt conversion and played poorly last week. 

Big deal.

Our coaching staff and defense have plagued us all year.

You are right. It’s not all on Cam. Cam has actually improved by using the young weapons. The defense is the main issue.

[KillaCamNewton]

4 minutes ago, Castavar said:

This defense hasn't been able to stop anybody on 3rd down all fuggin year, and somehow this fanbase still finds a way to bash our future hall of fame QB. God we do not deserve Cam. If our defense could stop ANYBODY, we would legit be 9-3 right now. After all the sh*t this man has done for us, carrying this stupid ass franchise on his shoulders for 8 years now, making a dipsh*t coach a two time coach of the year, smashing the NFL and winning MVP (with Ted fuggin Ginn as his #1 receiver) only to have his coaches come out with the dumbest gameplan EVER in a superbowl, while also having to deal with practice squad level WR talent almost his whole career, you would think this fanbase would be more appreciative, but I guess they yearn for the Clausen and Matt Moore days.

ironically its the "fans" that didnt start following the Panthers until we got Cam that seem to always bash him. Those of us that actually sat thru Weinke, Matt Moore, David Carr, and even Delhomme know Cam is the best thing to ever happen to this franchise and possibly the only reason it is still in Charlotte. What's funny to me is the people who bash Cam are the ones who think so highly of Delhomme, who despite being a very clutch performer down the stretch was literally carried by a dominant defense and running game his whole career. The Robert Horry of QBs. 

[KillaCamNewton]

Jake Delhomme in 2003

 

59% completion, 3200 yds, 19 TDs, 16 INTs

that was with 2 all-pro receivers in their primes, one of the best possession receivers of the 2000s, a running back who had a MVP caliber season, and arguably the best OLine in the league

if Cam puts up those stats the Panthers go 5-11, this team was tied with one minute left in the Super Bowl LMAO

[jtm]

5 minutes ago, KillaCamNewton said:

Jake Delhomme in 2003

 

59% completion, 3200 yds, 19 TDs, 16 INTs

that was with 2 all-pro receivers in their primes, one of the best possession receivers of the 2000s, a running back who had a MVP caliber season, and arguably the best OLine in the league

if Cam puts up those stats the Panthers go 5-11, this team was tied with one minute left in the Super Bowl LMAO

Different game back in 2003 and every QB now has a much higher completion percentage because corners can't put their hands on receivers.  Having said this, Delhomme's career completion percentage is the same as Cams.

[Navy_football]

29 minutes ago, jtm said:

I'm over making excuses for Cam and we see a lot of other QBs do more with less.  My biggest issue with Cam is I don't trust him to deliver game winning drives.  He's having a career year and he's been terrible running the 2 minute offense.  Stats don't show this but anyone that has watched the Panthers this year can't feel good about Cam in the 2 minute offense.  

Now it seems he can't stay healthy and this is a problem because a pocket passing Cam that can't or won't scramble is not a very good QB.  Take away Cam's ability to run and and you only have an average to below average QB and the stats back this up.  

No, you haven't seen a lot of QBs do more with less. Up until this season, you couldn't name a premier QB with a worse supporting cast of WRs. And even now, his best wide receivers are young with a ton of upside. But they are inexperienced and have a good bit to learn before you can call them great receivers. 

Cam's passing numbers are similar to Russell Wilson's because they are both in run-first offenses with conservative HCs -relying on the defense to win games. The Panthers shouldn't be just now finding real weapons for Cam. And they sure as heck haven't made drafting o-line talent a priority.

Cam has had plenty of game winning drives in his career. New receivers, new OC, no Olsen, new o-line, nursing an injury that limits practice reps, and you're convinced that Cam is in a perfect situation to win every game now? 

If Norv is still onboard next year, Cam is ready to go by training camp, and we're healthy (on the o-line and receiving corp), I think you'll see this offense go to the next level - in a big way. 

Hell, if nothing else, you've gotta give him a year to shake off all that Shula funk that's plagued him the last 5 years. 

[Panther1iDawg]

This is absolutely correct.  Cam is not the problem this year. yeah, he has many some bad throws, but nothing more that the Great QB's have made.  The defense just hasn't shown up.  Guys act like Brady, Mahomes, Brees, Watson, Rodgers, Wilson, Goff, Wentz, Roth or any other QBs have won after miscues.

[jtm]

3 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

No, you haven't seen a lot of QBs do more with less. Up until this season, you couldn't name a premier QB with a worse supporting cast of WRs. And even now, his best wide receivers are young with a ton of upside. But they are inexperienced and have a good bit to learn before you can call them great receivers. 

Cam's passing numbers are similar to Russell Wilson's because they are both in run-first offenses with conservative HCs -relying on the defense to win games. The Panthers shouldn't be just now finding real weapons for Cam. And they sure as heck haven't made drafting o-line talent a priority.

Cam has had plenty of game winning drives in his career. New receivers, new OC, no Olsen, new o-line, nursing an injury that limits practice reps, and you're convinced that Cam is in a perfect situation to win every game now? 

If Norv is still onboard next year, Cam is ready to go by training camp, and we're healthy (on the o-line and receiving corp), I think you'll see this offense go to the next level - in a big way. 

Hell, if nothing else, you've gotta give him a year to shake off all that Shula funk that's plagued him the last 5 years. 

I can name plenty of QBs with worse supporting casts, but it wouldn't matter because it wouldn't change anyone's mind.  Look just at Russell Wilson's receivers this year and that is one of many examples yet Wilson still is completing 67% of his passes and will take his team to the playoffs.  Against the Panthers when the Seahawks needed a score, what did Wilson do?  What did Cam do?

 

[KillaCamNewton]

5 minutes ago, jtm said:

Different game back in 2003 and every QB now has a much higher completion percentage because corners can't put their hands on receivers.  Having said this, Delhomme's career completion percentage is the same as Cams.

again, one guy had two all pro's in their primes, and an elite offensive line to go with an elite running game for the majority of his career. the other has been his team's leading rusher, played with the Byron Bells, Nate Chandlers, Michael Ohers, Matt Kalils of the world, and has had his tight end be his best receiver

 

helllllll of a difference between having to not lose a game versus having to win a game every week

[Snake]

I honestly just want Rivera gone. He has lost the team and is willing to sacrifice everything but his buddy's. 

[KillaCamNewton]

13 minutes ago, jtm said:

I can name plenty of QBs with worse supporting casts, but it wouldn't matter because it wouldn't change anyone's mind.  Look just at Russell Wilson's receivers this year and that is one of many examples yet Wilson still is completing 67% of his passes and will take his team to the playoffs.  Against the Panthers when the Seahawks needed a score, what did Wilson do?  What did Cam do?

 

Lockett and Baldwin are lightyears ahead of Samuel and Moore at this point in their careers. When you compare them to Torrey and Funchess this comparison is even dumber

[therealmjl]

36 minutes ago, jtm said:

I can name plenty of QBs with worse supporting casts, but it wouldn't matter because it wouldn't change anyone's mind.  Look just at Russell Wilson's receivers this year and that is one of many examples yet Wilson still is completing 67% of his passes and will take his team to the playoffs.  Against the Panthers when the Seahawks needed a score, what did Wilson do?  What did Cam do?

 

Played against our defense

[mc52beast]

10 hours ago, E CaT PanTHer 2 said:

huh? if a superbowl in the next 4 years isn't a requirement, why the hell fire rivera? 

also, develop cam newton? 

what more is there to develop? 

 

So Tepper isn’t expecting a SB within 4 years after spending 2.8 billion dollars? 

Develop Cam Newton= change his wardrobe??

[therealmjl]

21 minutes ago, KillaCamNewton said:

Lockett and Baldwin are lightyears ahead of Samuel and Moore at this point in their careers. When you compare them to Torrey and Funchess this comparison is even dumber

Why are we even arguing with this idiot