Cam haters, what could we realistically get in a trade for Cam?

[rico6]

5 hours ago, gmonjimbo said:

I wouldn't trade Cam. However, to add to the discussion if the Jaguars would give us Jalen Ramsey, Myles Jack, AJ Abouye, and a 3rd round pick then I would accept. 

Goodness fuging gracious 

[MVPccaffrey]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

There is going to come a day when Cam Newton is no longer the quarterback of the Panthers. That's inevitable. It's just a matter of when and how it happens.

Joe Montana was replaced. Brett Favre was replaced. Cam Newton will be replaced. Yes, it's difficult to replace a superstar, but it's not impossible.

Some posters here legitimately think this team is never gonna have a franchise QB again after Cam departs and it's going to be all Clausen's and Weinke's until the end of time.

[Sgt Schultz]

Actively pursuing the trade of Cam would not be on my radar.  There are things that could change that, like bad news on his shoulder injury.  Unfortunately, that same bad news would make trading him difficult, and he would probably not garner enough to make it worth considering at that point. 

Even if the decision was made to completely rebuild starting tomorrow, entering next year at 30 still gives him time to be the center of it.  Completely rebuilding would be like driving a nail in the wall with a sledge hammer, considering we (finally) have some promising young weapons around him.

All that said, if they were going to pursue a trade, it would have to be a team that thinks they are a QB away from a run at a title.  Jacksonville is the team that comes to mind if they can afford him.  Maybe Washington fits that bill, since they always think they are one piece away from glory.  I think the Giants are farther away than that, but what matters is what they think.  Most of the other usual suspects that are perpetually looking for a QB are working their way up the competitive ladder with promising young QBs. Who knows, maybe even the Raiders as they try to make a splash when their moving vans actually pull into Vegas.  They might be desperate enough to make a splash in the new market that they would offer the world. 

If Cam’s shoulder heals (or more appropriately, is allowed to heal), his value goes way up, including to us.  He has made some strides in the passing department this year, and my vote would be to see how far that takes us, with the caveat that we need to improve the OL play to keep him from getting killed back there before he turns 32.    

As far as what it would it take: probably too little if his shoulder injury is serious, and probably too much if he is healthy. 

[TheRed]

Trade values aren't what they used to be.

If you think you're getting a slew of draft picks, even for Cam Newton, you're living in a fantasy world.

As far as franchise quarterbacks. No we aren't destined to see nothing but Weinke's and Clausen's after Newton. But if you think we're just going to casually back our way into another one, just ask Cleveland how difficult it is.

[MVPccaffrey]

4 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

Actively pursuing the trade of Cam would not be on my radar.  There are things that could change that, like bad news on his shoulder injury.  Unfortunately, that same bad news would make trading him difficult, and he would probably not garner enough to make it worth considering at that point. 

Even if the decision was made to completely rebuild starting tomorrow, entering next year at 30 still gives him time to be the center of it.  Completely rebuilding would be like driving a nail in the wall with a sledge hammer, considering we (finally) have some promising young weapons around him.

All that said, if they were going to pursue a trade, it would have to be a team that thinks they are a QB away from a run at a title.  Jacksonville is the team that comes to mind if they can afford him.  Maybe Washington fits that bill, since they always think they are one piece away from glory.  I think the Giants are farther away than that, but what matters is what they think.  Most of the other usual suspects that are perpetually looking for a QB are working their way up the competitive ladder with promising young QBs. Who knows, maybe even the Raiders as they try to make a splash when their moving vans actually pull into Vegas.  They might be desperate enough to make a splash in the new market that they would offer the world. 

If Cam’s shoulder heals (or more appropriately, is allowed to heal), his value goes way up, including to us.  He has made some strides in the passing department this year, and my vote would be to see how far that takes us, with the caveat that we need to improve the OL play to keep him from getting killed back there before he turns 32.    

 

 

 

As far as what it would it take: probably too little if his shoulder injury is serious, and probably too much if he is healthy. 

 

This is a great post, and very lucky for us his deal isn't up next offseason.  Worst case scenario would be giving him Carr or Stafford money just so he can throw 40 yard ducks for 5 years while the front office is forced to let those promising young players walk.

Still, the smarter franchises historically cut bait a year too early versus a year too late. Very real chance the upside of the multiple 1sts and capspace you get from moving Newton is worth the unknown of a full recovery, right now.

[rico6]

3 hours ago, Camvp said:

If the new GM and scouts feel there is a franchise QB available in the 1st round, if you can move Newton for two 1sts, probably in the offseason before 2020, you do it and don't think twice.  A lot of teams are making hay with a QB on a rookie contract and the cap space that gets you surrounding them.  You especially can't ink Cam to a larger deal with his chronic health problems.

The same posters here saying "you can never trade cam!!!" will be the first ones, in 2020/2021 saying "Rivera bad-man ruined Cam's shoulder five years ago!  I said so at the time!" 

“Chronic Health Problems”

Dude hasn’t missed prolonged game day action since he’s been drafted. Please change your username to MMoore3 or some poo.

[rico6]

17 minutes ago, TheRed said:

You would think watching teams play musical chairs with "game manager" QB's just in the last few years would be an indicator for Panthers fans to stop buying into that. This isn't 2011. Remember when Billy Volek was an option for us?

Draft Marcel Dareus (where is he anyways?) and sign Volek until the great Luck gets drafted by the Panthers next year. 

Those were indeed very dark times.

[rico6]

14 minutes ago, Camvp said:

Some posters here legitimately think this team is never gonna have a franchise QB again after Cam departs and it's going to be all Clausen's and Weinke's until the end of time.

That’s quite literally how bad the QB situation was with this franchise until a fuging Unicorn plopped in our laps. 

But you also believe this team “is likely” to only lose one more game until season’s end.

Your takes aren’t very enlightening. 

[MVPccaffrey]

1 minute ago, rico6 said:

That’s quite literally how bad the QB situation was with this franchise until a fuging Unicorn plopped in our laps. 

Yeah, the two whole seasons we went between pre-injury Jake and Cam.  

 

There's like 22 teams that either already have a franchise QB, or a young talent on their way to becoming one.  We'll be all right when the time comes, capable-enough QBs are much more common than they were in the 80s, 90s, and early 00s.

[TheRed]

@Camvp is the dude that goes around referring to Newton as "scam".

Honestly I don't know how his account is still active here.

[rico6]

3 minutes ago, Camvp said:

Yeah, the two whole seasons we went between pre-injury Jake and Cam.  

 

There's like 22 teams that either already have a franchise QB, or a young talent on their way to becoming one.  We'll be all right when the time comes, capable-enough QBs are much more common than they were in the 80s, 90s, and early 00s.

For every Mahommes there’s like 2-3 Manziels you got to filter out.

ill pass.

[rico6]

5 minutes ago, rico6 said:

For every Mahommes there’s like 2-3 Manziels you got to filter out.

ill pass.

And most of those “22 teams with franchise talents” have held on to the same QB for literal decades because it’s not as easy to find franchise stalwarts as this fanbase likes to pump. 

You lot are more worried about shedding Cam and remaining irrelevant all in the pretense of finding their guy. 

[archer4364]

If we ever traded Cam I truly think I'd have to take a break from watching games. 

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

Most people who buy a used car don't take the car to their own on-staff personal mechanic to do a top-to-bottom examination of said used car before purchasing.

NFL teams?  Yeah... they do that.

Well, there's "injury" and there's "damage".

Injury can be easily detected. Damage is tougher. That's how the Panthers ended up signing Chuck Smith and him never playing a single snap.