You all are really overestimating the chances Ron is gone

[SmittysLawnGuy]

No damn way Ron is safe. I don't need it spelled out for me to know it either.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, CBDellinger said:

Or confirm it.  

Stop projecting.  

Stop deflecting.

The bottom line is that if Rivera were succeeding, this wouldn't even be a discussion. But given that our team just lost four straight games - three of those to opponents with inferior records - it's a valid topic. If we lose to the Browns or get smashed by the Saints, it's likely to get a lot more "valid".

 

[CBDellinger]

Sorry l, but “No comment” doesn’t confirm or deny anything.  That’s not deflecting.  That’s taking it at face value.  

I have no idea what he will do or what he thinks.  I won’t pretend to either.  

I just hope he’s not a meddling owner.  

[rayzor]

4 hours ago, CatMan72 said:

Yup and Tepper believes in the Steelers model of patience. Could see Hurney gone first, new GM gets to evaluate Rivera and decide if he wants to go in a new direction. I could see the new GM insisting on a hand in asst.coaching decisions after this debacle.

Tepper was part of the group of owners that was trying to get Tomlin fired.

[Mr. Scot]

10 minutes ago, CBDellinger said:

Sorry l, but “No comment” doesn’t confirm or deny anything.  That’s not deflecting.  That’s taking it at face value.  

I have no idea what he will do or what he thinks.  I won’t pretend to either.  

I just hope he’s not a meddling owner.  

I hope he's not satisfied with mediocrity.

I'm not interested in sitting here five years from now saying "Well, we're still only a middling team, but hey at least we never fired anybody."

[Woodie]

A few points:

1) Throw that patience point out the window.  He's not talking about patience with what we have, he talking about it with the team he builds.  But he hasn't even started building the team yet.  If he decides to build with Ron, then he will show patience in the future, but right now, he's still evaluating what he wants to do.

2) Nobody has a clue what Dave is thinking.  He may be fed up, or he may see reasons other than Ron's failings as the primary reason for the collapse.  Until he speaks, there's no way to know.  He has no history to help us formulate any sort of educated guess.

3) I wouldn't expect him to respond to the conjecture over Ron's job.  He's likely still evaluating, and doesn't want to get caught with his pants down.  If he says he has faith in Ron and we tank the rest of the season, he will look like he's blind to the problems.  If he gives any less than supportive statement, and Ron turns things around and saves his job, the Tepper looks like he doesn't have his coaches back.  Best option was to say nothing, so not to commit to either direction, and let Ron make a case as the season plays out...one way or the other.

4) We cannot underestimate how humiliating it must have been for him to go into Pittsburg wanting to prove something only to embarrassed on national television.  

5) Pay close attention to the players these last four games.  If the players look listless and like they have given up, Ron is gone.  But if they come out focused and ready to play, that might be enough for Dave to want and give him another year to prove himself.

 

[Paa Langfart]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

That doesn't answer why Tepper didn't come out and show confidence in Rivera.

if you're not seriously looking at firing a coach, why do you leave intact the public perception that you are?

As I remember,  you also convinced yourself that Hurney was done as GM  when his wife made bs allegations against him. You posted numerous resumes of candidates to replace him and went as far as picking your own favorite.  You were that sure Hurney was done as were many others on this board.   I want Rivera replaced as bad as anyone, but there isn't anything other than unsubstantiated rumors flying around so far -  since Tepper has no history as the sole owner of a team, and his prior comments about wanting to take long term decisions ( have patience),  I would give the chances of Ron being fired at about 50/50 or less.  That is unless the team completely gives up on him tis year.  Next year is a different story.  I think he will be held more accountable next season,  if he survives black Monday this year.

[Mr. Scot]

18 minutes ago, Paa Langfart said:

As I remember,  you also convinced yourself that Hurney was done as GM  when his wife made bs allegations against him. You posted numerous resumes of candidates to replace him and went as far as picking your own favorite.  You were that sure Hurney was done as were many others on this board.   I want Rivera replaced as bad as anyone, but there isn't anything other than unsubstantiated rumors flying around so far -  since Tepper has no history as the sole owner of a team, and his prior comments about wanting to take long term decisions ( have patience),  I would give the chances of Ron being fired at about 50/50 or less.  That is unless the team completely gives up on him tis year.  Next year is a different story.  I think he will be held more accountable next season,  if he survives black Monday this year.

Difference is I know a little more about what actually happened there, and it ain't what you think.

(no, I'm not telling you)

[Fox007]

LOL I love it when the usual suspects cement their lack of knowledge in some Tungsten.

Doods acting like Tepper and the Steelers model applies to this poo stain franchise with JRs skid marks all over it. LMFAO

He's hired no one on the football side and hasn't even set up his model yet. HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA what a lark, keep em coming, with PC culture you'll nary find better comedy anymore than on here.

[carpanfan96]

Steelers model fires GM's even less then coaches. They've had a total of 7 and even bad ones that did a terrible job stuck around for years on end. 

 

Hurney is much safer then Rivera, but both are safe right now. If anything happens, odds are Hurney is helping Tepper hire a new coach in January.

[carpanfan96]

28 minutes ago, Fox007 said:

LOL I love it when the usual suspects cement their lack of knowledge in some Tungsten.

Doods acting like Tepper and the Steelers model applies to this poo stain franchise with JRs skid marks all over it. LMFAO

He's hired no one on the football side and hasn't even set up his model yet. HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA what a lark, keep em coming, with PC culture you'll nary find better comedy anymore than on here.

It was announced when he bought the team that he was and wanted to bring the Steelers model to the Carolinas. Wants to win and the Steeler way to win is stability and continuation. 

[Mr. Scot]

17 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

Steelers model fires GM's even less then coaches. They've had a total of 7 and even bad ones that did a terrible job stuck around for years on end. 

Hurney is much safer then Rivera, but both are safe right now. If anything happens, odds are Hurney is helping Tepper hire a new coach in January.

Again though, that's based on GMs that they actually hired.

The model isn't exact.

[AU-panther]

There are 20 teams with the same or worse record than we have.  Also we are only one spot out of the playoffs if I'm not mistaken.  

I think the next 4 games will decide a lot.  We go 3-1 we might make the playoffs and then I could see him keeping his job.  1-3 though?

[heel31ok]

8 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

I think you are underestimating the level of pissed off the new owner is.

lol...need more than projecting fans feelings onto the owner...