David Newton On Rivera

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20 hours ago, Glitchh said:

"I like Ron’s agressivness in the red zone,"

You liked his "agressivness", read stupidity, that twice kept the team from at least a chance to win at the end? Both games could have gone to overtime if he'd of kicked the ball, given that Gano could have made the extra point and the chip shot, which you have to expect. If he would have done both the team could be 8-3 and we wouldn't be talking about Ron's future here. Both decisions were brain dead macho moves not smart moves.

We’d not expect Gano to make any kicks from anywhere right now. And he gave him an opportunity to beat Seattle, and he missed. So once again, I’m not sure how coaching affects Gano’s kicking.

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On 11/28/2018 at 11:20 AM, Darvinsun said:

I'm sure he helps pick and evaluate the talent that is drafted. Funchess has showed nothing as far as being wr. Why would you draft a person that is not in his natural position to come help a depleted wr unit. He should have never been the pick. Curtis is electrifying regards and went to a dominant Ohio State team and contributed. What did Funchess do? Never heard of the guy until he got here. Rivera is nothing special. He hasn't brought anything to the table when it has mattered which is on the field.

Do you remember who our WR’s were the season before? Let me refresh your memory. Kelvin Benjamin, Jerricho Cotchery, Corey Brown and Jason Avant. The entire tenure for Ron has been about getting Cam help, be it O line or WR or whatever, myself included. How would we not draft a WR? He may not be anything special, but how many coaches in the nfl are? There are a handful that are and if Ron is fired you better hope we find a diamond in the rough. Cuz I see a lot of coaches out here that can’t win 10 games and we’ve been pretty damn good at that considering we’ve been the toughest division in football for the past 5 years.

[CBDellinger]

6 hours ago, Paintballr said:

So the 1972 Miami Dolphins were the greatest team to ever play? Because it’s a stat that happened and you can’t argue against it right?

Weak.  The “greatest team ever” is a subjective argument.  The only team to have an undefeated season is a fact.  

 

5 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

The 15-1 season did happen, and it counts, but there's a caveat.

That was Rivera/Gettleman. What we have right now is Rivera/Hurney.

It's not the same.

Rivera was much more successful as a coach when he had a partner that could counter some of his weaknesses. He and Hurney just aren't as effective a combination.

If you really want Rivera to return to the top, the best thing you could do for him is to get a better GM. Preferably one with a heavy background in personnel evaluation and a willingness to say no to players when it's in the best interest of the team (aka the Steelers approach).

Me? I think it's more likely the best move is to just clean house and start fresh.

It's a shame because Rivera and Hurney both seem like really good guys, but the job of football coaches and executives is to win. As a combo, these two aren't very good at it, and I don't believe getting rid of just one of them is enough of an answer.

Rebooting might be tough, but it's better than continuing with something that's unsuccessful.

You could caveat every season with change of personel, coaches, so forth and so on.  In the end Rons record is his record regardless of the parts around him.  

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, CBDellinger said:

You could caveat every season with change of personel, coaches, so forth and so on.  In the end Rons record is his record regardless of the parts around him.  

A GM is a little more important than an Assistant Special Teams Coach.

How much worse would Rivera's record have to get before you'd be willing to admit maybe it's time to think about moving on?

(or is that even an option?)

[Paintballr]

1 hour ago, CBDellinger said:

Weak.  The “greatest team ever” is a subjective argument.  The only team to have an undefeated season is a fact.  

Based on the logic you said earlier it’s a fact. Show me another team that had and won as many games that they did in one season? 

All I’m doing is stating a fact and record like earlier 

[CBDellinger]

47 minutes ago, Paintballr said:

Based on the logic you said earlier it’s a fact. Show me another team that had and won as many games that they did in one season? 

All I’m doing is stating a fact and record like earlier 

Dude, if you don’t understand the diff btwn a subjective opinion and fact then I can’t help ya.  Sorry man.  That’s on you.  

FTR... the 2007 pats won more games.  Whomp whomp.  Fact.  But they didn’t go undefeated.  Double fact.  

Lebron is is the Goat.  Opinion.  

See what I did there?

54 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

A GM is a little more important than an Assistant Special Teams Coach.

How much worse would Rivera's record have to get before you'd be willing to admit maybe it's time to think about moving on?

(or is that even an option?)

It is all important.  But in the end he owns it regardless.  All of it, good or bad.  

I haven’t said one way or the other.  Tbh, I wanna see what he does the rest of the season b4 I decide.  This home stretch is really gonna tell us a lot about what he’s made of.  

[maddog1945]

On ‎11‎/‎28‎/‎2018 at 4:37 AM, GoPanthers123 said:

Here is what Ron (apparently) does not understand.   Vets a lot of the times have nothing left to prove and are set for life, complacency is bound to set in at some point.  Young hungry guys have something to prove and they will play lights out at their full ability.   

How true this is!!!  Even in life away for football this is very true!

Young man wanting to out do the older or experienced guy!

Movin on up!!!!!!!!!

[The Huddler]

Cams Career has been wasted

 

cut bait, save face now..  go hire the best offensive HC available, and ride out the rest of Cams career with a HC that wants to acore and score alot

 

 

you dont play ball control with a multi threat offensive MVP calibur player at QB

 

 

if only we had McVey, Reid, or Kyle Shanahan

[Snake]

13 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

The 15-1 season did happen, and it counts, but there's a caveat.

That was Rivera/Gettleman. What we have right now is Rivera/Hurney.

It's not the same.

Rivera was much more successful as a coach when he had a partner that could counter some of his weaknesses. He and Hurney just aren't as effective a combination.

If you really want Rivera to return to the top, the best thing you could do for him is to get a better GM. Preferably one with a heavy background in personnel evaluation and a willingness to say no to players when it's in the best interest of the team (aka the Steelers approach).

Me? I think it's more likely the best move is to just clean house and start fresh.

It's a shame because Rivera and Hurney both seem like really good guys, but the job of football coaches and executives is to win. As a combo, these two aren't very good at it, and I don't believe getting rid of just one of them is enough of an answer.

Rebooting might be tough, but it's better than continuing with something that's unsuccessful.

I think Hurney has always been a better GM than Rivera was a coach. I think a coaching change with a solid coach who can evaluate players would be great. Our team is young on offense and just needs the right staff.