David Newton On Rivera

[Carl Spackler]

8 minutes ago, mc52beast said:

He’s smart enough to figure out that Ron doesn’t have JR to pat him on the back and tell him it’s ok if we lose

So he's as smart as the average fan

[Paintballr]

1 hour ago, Billy_T said:

If a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass.

Seriously take out the 15-1 season because it’s only happened a few times in the nfls history, and take out the 2-14 season Fox has as it wasn’t his norm (to be fair to both coaches) and you seriously have the same record almost by percentage. 

Ron would be 55-51, Fox would be 66-54. 

You and I both know that season was a fluke record wise. Cam carried the entire offense inspit of Shula who was a terrible OC. Fox has a lame duck season with some of the worst supportive cast we have ever seen in our history of a franchise. 

I do not want Fox over Rivera, but to say he is leaps and bounds over Fox in terms of talent and where he got us is crazy

[ChibCU]

9 hours ago, Billy_T said:

Rowboat Ron has a regular season record of 70-52 (.574).  

Fox was 68-68 (.500) in regular season games.

Which do you prefer?

Note: the other 2 head coaches in Panthers history were a combined 46-66 (.411).

CONCLUSION: Be careful what you wish for.

I prefer a head coach that did not just walk out of Doc Brown's 1985 time machine.

[therealmjl]

@uncfan888 tomas in here revealing his alts

[uncfan888]

30 minutes ago, mjligon said:

@uncfan888 tomas in here revealing his alts

So the racist Billy t is also the racist college coach. That figures. How many alt accounts and personalities can one loser have

[SmokinwithWilly]

48 minutes ago, Billy_T said:

These are the numbers:

Rowboat Ron has a regular season record of 70-52 (.574).  

Fox was 68-68 (.500) in regular season games.

Before Ron:  16 seasons, 4 playoff appearances (.250)

After Ron:  7 seasons, 4 playoff appearance (.571), including 4 of last 5 seasons (.800)

“you are what your record says you are”
― Bill Parcells

Question, do you think Ron should be fired TODAY?

 

Maybe not today, but at the end of this season yes. I wouldn't be upset if it happened today. If the best car you ever owned was a Volkswagen bug, it may be better than the Geo metro but let's not pretend it's a Corvette. Rivera is not getting the job done. If Cam is the hall of fame QB that everyone on this board touts him to be, then we should have had back to back winning seasons a long time ago. His personel management is god awful, his in game decision making is questionable at best most of the time, and his unwillingness to move on from 1985 into the 21st century and see that the NFL wants a pass friendly league with high scoring games is infuriating. Ron's philosophy is a dinosaur. It's time to move on.

[Ivan The Awesome]

10 hours ago, Billy_T said:

Rowboat Ron has a regular season record of 70-52 (.574).  

Fox was 68-68 (.500) in regular season games.

Which do you prefer?

Note: the other 2 head coaches in Panthers history were a combined 46-66 (.411).

CONCLUSION: Be careful what you wish for.

That makes it even worse.. how in the fug are you going to have a winning regular season record and STILL be mediocre?

[Jimmy]

David Newton's articles are always conjecture. And his analysis is based of his conjecture. He can't analyze football so he analyzes himself. Boy, that's stupid.

[ncsfinest21]

13 hours ago, LA_Panther said:

If I was in Tepper’s shoes, only way Ron keeps his job is some type of miracle run deep into the playoffs and a SB win. That’s not happening with this team. Hate to be that guy.

Best case scenario: We may grab a wildcard win if the matchup is right i.e we get the redskins or something. But we will get stomped in the 2nd round.

Worst case scenario: we lose out. Hey, If we lose this Sunday, this may really happen. Browns are no slouch. We may beat Atlanta (they are tapping out like us lol) and saints backups 

We wont get the Saints backups. They are in a fight with the Rams for HFA throughout. Saints cant afford to drop a game in that race.

[parker]

I think Ron is safe this year.  If anything, blame will fall on the DC.  The offense has shown promise and I think with some upgrades on the Oline could be fantastic.  The defense has to step up and can't be giving away the leads and blowing third down and long situations.  After next year, it's all on the table depending on if we improve or regress.

[parker]

1 minute ago, leoslayer said:

Let's go get Jack Del Rio

I could go for that.  Will he want to be a DC again?

[Glitchh]

6 hours ago, CarolinaXblue said:

Are they? I’ll give you the Eric Washington argument if you want to go there. But I don’t see the calling for Ron’s head. Sure, I’m frustrated with the losses. But a new coach isn’t going to keep Funchess from dropping 5 passes a game. It’s also not going to keep our kicker from missing. I like Ron’s agressivness in the red zone, once again I don’t think he called the 3 run plays in a row from the 4 yard line or whatever it was. I’m not saying the guy is a great but you look at some of these coaches and you gotta think it could be a lot worse.

"I like Ron’s agressivness in the red zone,"

You liked his "agressivness", read stupidity, that twice kept the team from at least a chance to win at the end? Both games could have gone to overtime if he'd of kicked the ball, given that Gano could have made the extra point and the chip shot, which you have to expect. If he would have done both the team could be 8-3 and we wouldn't be talking about Ron's future here. Both decisions were brain dead macho moves not smart moves.

[Camp Fodder]

5 hours ago, Billy_T said:

70-52.....the only coach in franchise history with a winning record.

Look, I understand the concerns with Ol' Rowboat and think the extension The Big Cat gave him in his way out was very ill advised (but will in no way hinder Tepper should he decide to make a change)....

....but people need to understand if a change is made one of the possible outcomes is we will be worse --- how will you feel if we fire Ron and the next guy does worse?

Before Ron:  16 seasons, 4 playoff appearances (.250)

After Ron:  7 seasons, 4 playoff appearance (.571), including 4 of last 5 seasons (.800)

Question, do you think Ron should be fired TODAY?

Not today. At the end of the season If we miss the playoffs?  Yes, we started out 6-2 and headed towards an 8-8 season.  His defense has regressed every year since 2015. He brings nothing to the table anymore and his message after every game is the same ol BS

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 hour ago, Billy_T said:

The Big Cat was one of the most meddlesome owners in the league, similar to Jerry Jones.

Key executive personnel (President, GM, Coach, "COO" lol) were/are effectively fighting with one hand tied behind their back in that scenario. 

Even with all the screwed up meddling from 2013-2017 Rowboat Ron coached the team to 51 regular season wins, only 3 teams won more....Patriots (63), Seahawks (54), Steelers (53)....

....if the Patriots are a Buggatti....Seahawks/Steelers Ferrari's....the Panthers are a Porsche at a minimum...

Tepper understands the screwups and it will take him a while to undo all the screwed up things that were done under The Big Cat's "leadership", and while he does so I predict Ol' Rowboat will get the benefit of the doubt....I think he's good for this season AND next at a minimum.

Here I thought wins were how score was kept......I guess now the key deliverables are being "pass friendly" and "not a dinosaur" and...

The Panthers are a Porsche that are in the shop every other week. Great to say you own it, but in reality, meh. 

Meaningful wins are how we keep score. Everyone defines success differently. Not being able to put together back to back winning seasons is not my definition of success. I don't give a damn if you're 14-2 if you're getting bounced in your first playoff game every year. You're a regular season wonder and a playoff blunder. Defenses in the NFL have given up more points and yardage than ever, that's a fact. The NFL has changed rules to make defenses play at a ridiculous disadvantage, that's a fact. Ron does not change until he is forced, that's a fact. 

Ron Rivera on Chiefs-Rams: "It's kind of set up for that (rule changes). ... I'm not a fan of it. I like a good, old-fashioned 7-6 game."

The rules have changed and Ron is not ahead of the curve, he's behind it. Carolina needs a coach who is able to see these changes, embrace them, and set the team on a path to long term success. Ron's got his talents, I'm not going to deny that. But I don't think he's the coach to get this team over the hump and bring home a Lombardi. I think he lacks the vision for long term success.