Muhsin Muhammad dropping truth bombs.

[Darvinsun]

Just now, Billy_T said:

You honestly believe your description accurately represents Moose's motivations here?  You really believe that?

If he is directing those comments toward Cam then Yes!  What does Cam need to do now? You wanted him to improve his speech in press conferences, no towel overhead, he now talks to his line and gives dabs to he defense when they make good defensive stops, accuracy has improved. Who has he talked to that says no one is teaching them taking them up under their wing. I have seen Cam work with his wrs during offseason. Instead of mushing Cam what about the defensive leaders talk about Luke, TD, KK, or Peppers.Why is Cam to blame for everything? Offense is no he problem here for once.Talking side ways, if you going to talk talk callout who your talking about stop droppings like a puss. What championship did he win for the Panthers? I' just tired of Cam, Cam, Cam, can't cover everbody. This team needs to be broken up bc they have become lazy.

[Darvinsun]

7 minutes ago, TheRed said:

I don't know what's up with Moose. Admittedly Cam has had some issues with accuracy over the years, but he's having a career season. He's stepped his game up. He led this team to a comeback win down 17 points on the road. We scored 21 points in the 4th quarter. If that isn't elevating other players around you, what the hell is? This just seems like more of the same sour grapes narrative that we've seen over the years. Some people simply cannot hide their jealousy of Newton.

I agree with everything you said. This a team sport and just like Cam is the leader of the offense so is Luke over the defense. No one mentions Luke or TD or anyone else. Just Cam Cam I'm sick of hearing the same thing yr after yr. All on Cam he should have this and that. Last time I checked Cam doesnt play defense, but maybe he should.

[TheRed]

Show of hands, how many of you remember a Carolina Panthers player not named Cam Newton repeatedly muscling his way for first downs and literally diving head first into or over end zones with reckless abandon on a regular basis every season for the last near decade?

CMC is working his way into this currently, I give him immense props for that. He's willing to put it all on his shoulders like Cam. But that's just this year. The previous 7 years, who else?

So basically, this is grade A bullshit.

[Darvinsun]

4 minutes ago, Billy_T said:

Interesting observation in that last sentence, once again circles straight back to leadership (or lack thereof).

Hard to make sense of the rest of that but I'm confident Moose is perfectly happy with his own life and is in no way "jealous" of Cam Newton, the entire premise is actually laughable.

We agree to disagree. Really tired of Cam being blamed for everything when he should have said who he was talking about. He mentioned Cam but everyone else has to guess who is talking about. That's all I have to say.

[4Corners]

26 minutes ago, Billy_T said:

Sure you did

You familiar with the Tushman-Nadler Congruence Model?   The simple premise is that if the output being produced is less than desirable/acceptable, go back and examine all the inputs.

Clearly the leadership "input" as it relates to players policing themselves is not producing what's desired because the resultant output is not acceptable.  As such, changes need to be made....

....current captains are: Newton --- Olsen --- R. Kalil --- Kuechly --- Peppers --- Jones

Too many.  Cut it to one player on each side of the ball, and leaving Jones in place probably ok for ST's..

Who would you choose?  Who has the red hot fire and natural personality to take charge and demand accountability from all fellow players on their side of the ball?

Take your time, important choices which the season hinges on....give it some thought.

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[bigdog10]

5 hours ago, TheRed said:

Show of hands, how many of you remember a Carolina Panthers player not named Cam Newton repeatedly muscling his way for first downs and literally diving head first into or over end zones with reckless abandon on a regular basis every season for the last near decade?

CMC is working his way into this currently, I give him immense props for that. He's willing to put it all on his shoulders like Cam. But that's just this year. The previous 7 years, who else?

So basically, this is grade A bullshit.

You forget Smitty?

[YungHamm]

I have most DEFINITELY seen Cam get on a teammate.  When Cam is in the zone he aint that friendly.  He talks trash to the opponent and encourages teammates. Seen him get on Trai, Funchess, DJ just this season.  We THINK he is all fun because that's what they show. Cam is a competitor so yes it may be he leads by example more, but I'm sure he speaks his mind when players mess up.  Imagine someone who has a mouth as big as Cam just being quiet when you screw up.  Please

[Cookie Lyon]

9 hours ago, rico6 said:

Yeah I didn’t get as many “truth bombs” moreso than digs on certain players (specifically Cam) Steve Smith hates Cam too for some odd reason. 

The fact he more or less stated that Cam has remained virtually the same player since drafted is highly disappointing. If he had anything comparative to the talent of Cam Newton tossing the rock he’d have a few rings and might be in discussion of Canton. 

@Tbe Cam would be crucified for pulling anything like Manning or Brady (to an extent even Luke Keuchly) for public berating of teammates. I doubt it’s his lack of being confrontational (which is also by all accounts not true) as to why he’s not vocally brazen towards others, but moreso the backlash he would receive.

This

[Snake]

This also has led cam to be the same way. He's having a great year but it's not a residual thing. I think we all can see this team has no fire and it's why we will lose more games. 

[Chaos]

13 hours ago, Cary Kollins said:

I mean, go back to the tape and look at how many times Elder or Munnerlyn had a 7 yard cushion, gave up the easy completion, and then whiffed on the tackle. It's like what's the point of a 7 yard cushion if you're just going to spaz out and miss the tackle anyway.

 

[TheMaulClaw]

13 hours ago, bobsfoodbasics said:

Ron is spineless. The only guy he has the balls to throw under the bus is Cam. Hopefully Cam pulls a steve smith one day and punches the poo out of Ron's face.

I disagree. Ron seems like a genuinely good guy.  He doesn't appear fake.  Im guessing that if he had it his way...he could avoid press conferences after losses like Sunday.  We may need new leadership.  Unfortunately Ron made some very bad hires this offseason, and decisions from previous seasons are coming back to bite him.  Specifically keeping Gano over Butker.  

I know Ron will attempt to shield Washington, but that guy needs to go.  If Ron unloads Washington I'd be concerned but ok with giving him another year.  If he doesn't...it's time to move on.

[pantherclaw]

I'm in complete agreement with Moose.

[LA_Panther]

On 11/27/2018 at 10:02 AM, CRA said:

I remember that time when someone got flagged on a kick coverage for running out of bounds....and 89 treated him like an ugly redheaded step child for such a mistake.  He mean I even felt bad for the dude.    89 was destroying him for the costly error. 

I do agree.  Mistakes? On this team?  You do see the "oh well, we'll get em next time" attitude. 

I'll draw a comparison to the current Clemson dynasty Dabo has going.  If not for Bama also having a dynasty at the same time Clemson would be getting a lot more press for what a historical era Dabo has built.  One thing you will see from the Bible lovin cheerleading Dabo? Dabo will rip the fug out of anyone....at any time.....for any error.  Doesn't matter if it is the kicker or his star DT.  You mess up? Dabo gives 2 poos about embarrassing the fug out of you on national TV.  Now I know there are difference between kids and paid professionals and what does and doesn't fly.....but there just doesn't seem to be much passion when people aren't getting it done.  Take the weak DL play.  You would think at some point some player or coach would be going off on them in game to step up and try to create some fire for example. 

I agree, and college is different to be honest. You are dealing with kids. You can put your foot up their **** and they won't take it personally. Also players don't have much leverage in college. They are broke, and just happy to be part of the team with all the perks that come with it. But then you  get to the pros, start making money [sometimes more than the coaches] and some players have more leverage. Some will make more money that the coaches. Their baggage starts to come out, and most coaches look the other way due to job security. Only the great coaches are not afraid to get rid of great players.

Tough love or not though, the great coaches have complete control of the locker room. If you are into soccer, there is a book by Alex Ferguson (coached Man Utd). He said players always have to recognize you as the boss (paraphrase) and that if a coach has no control he will not last. Dude dominated the league didn't have the most talented squad with some of his championships. Just like Bellicheck, most Patriots championship teams were not the most talented in the league. Talent is important, but you gotta bring in your guys i.e. guys that are teachable with what you are trying to do. 

[Butterflyj30]

They need to have Moose as an advisor or WR Coach that would be great