Muhsin Muhammad dropping truth bombs.

[CRA]

3 hours ago, hepcat said:

I've been saying this all along. The players and coaches have continually had this "everything is fine" mentality, even after games like the Steelers happened with Rivera inexplicably giving the team the weekend off after one of the worst losses in franchise history. Now he's got an excuse after every loss. Moose has it right here.

https://247sports.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/Article/Muhsin-Muhammad-comments-Panthers-loss-to-Seahawks-125420998/

I remember that time when someone got flagged on a kick coverage for running out of bounds....and 89 treated him like an ugly redheaded step child for such a mistake.  He mean I even felt bad for the dude.    89 was destroying him for the costly error. 

I do agree.  Mistakes? On this team?  You do see the "oh well, we'll get em next time" attitude. 

I'll draw a comparison to the current Clemson dynasty Dabo has going.  If not for Bama also having a dynasty at the same time Clemson would be getting a lot more press for what a historical era Dabo has built.  One thing you will see from the Bible lovin cheerleading Dabo? Dabo will rip the fug out of anyone....at any time.....for any error.  Doesn't matter if it is the kicker or his star DT.  You mess up? Dabo gives 2 poos about embarrassing the fug out of you on national TV.  Now I know there are difference between kids and paid professionals and what does and doesn't fly.....but there just doesn't seem to be much passion when people aren't getting it done.  Take the weak DL play.  You would think at some point some player or coach would be going off on them in game to step up and try to create some fire for example. 

[panthers55]

1 minute ago, bigdog10 said:

Wilks knew this last year but everyone thought it was due to him having too much trust in his secondary guys. It was actually the inverse. He blitzed to minimize the time these guys had to cover. 

My problem with Wilks wasn't blitzing, it was predictable blitzing that wasn't effective and easily countered by guys like Brees multiple times last year.

[hepcat]

12 minutes ago, CRA said:

I remember that time when someone got flagged on a kick coverage for running out of bounds....and 89 treated him like an ugly redheaded step child for such a mistake.  He mean I even felt bad for the dude.    89 was destroying him for the costly error. 

I do agree.  Mistakes? On this team?  You do see the "oh well, we'll get em next time" attitude. 

I'll draw a comparison to the current Clemson dynasty Dabo has going.  If not for Bama also having a dynasty at the same time Clemson would be getting a lot more press for what a historical era Dabo has built.  One thing you will see from the Bible lovin cheerleading Dabo? Dabo will rip the fug out of anyone....at any time.....for any error.  Doesn't matter if it is the kicker or his star DT.  You mess up? Dabo gives 2 poos about embarrassing the fug out of you on national TV.  Now I know there are difference between kids and paid professionals and what does and doesn't fly.....but there just doesn't seem to be much passion when people aren't getting it done.  Take the weak DL play.  You would think at some point some player or coach would be going off on them in game to step up and try to create some fire for example. 

There's the fine line. It's why guys like Jim Harbaugh, Nick Saban, Greg Schiano, Bobby Petrino, Steve Spurrier, Butch Davis, the list goes on and on...had short tenures in the NFL, but thrived coaching student athletes. In college, you can rip these kids a new one when they screw up and the worst that happens is they fail and/or get cut. The coach is safe. But a professional coach doing that to professional athletes doesn't have a good track record of lasting long in the NFL. Certain head coaching styles is just better for college. But in the pros, you need a coach that can still deliver accountability but also manage the egos of professional athletes.

The problem we have with Rivera is he's catering too much to the team ego and expecting players to hold themselves accountable because they are professionals, when it's obvious the coach needs to step up and hold the team accountable. When you allow extra perks when the team is failing, like a weekend break after the Steelers blowout, you're not doing enough to fix mistakes. But you can't go overboard chastising the players or you'll lose the respect of the team.

[CRA]

17 minutes ago, hepcat said:

There's the fine line. It's why guys like Jim Harbaugh, Nick Saban, Greg Schiano, Bobby Petrino, Steve Spurrier, Butch Davis, the list goes on and on...had short tenures in the NFL, but thrived coaching student athletes. In college, you can rip these kids a new one when they screw up and the worst that happens is they fail and/or get cut. The coach is safe. But a professional coach doing that to professional athletes doesn't have a good track record of lasting long in the NFL. Certain head coaching styles is just better for college. But in the pros, you need a coach that can still deliver accountability but also manage the egos of professional athletes.

The problem we have with Rivera is he's catering too much to the team ego and expecting players to hold themselves accountable because they are professionals, when it's obvious the coach needs to step up and hold the team accountable. When you allow extra perks when the team is failing, like a weekend break after the Steelers blowout, you're not doing enough to fix mistakes. But you can't go overboard chastising the players or you'll lose the respect of the team.

Agree.  But if all you have is a coach quietly doing it behind closed doors?  Is that enough? 

I think in the NFL it works better when you have players willing to step up on game days.  We don't have that anymore. 

[Carl Spackler]

3 hours ago, hepcat said:

I hope so. The part about Reggie White telling him that it's not enough to be individually great, that you have to bring others up around you to truly be great, is some head coaching mentality stuff.

 

We were fortunate to have RW on our team 

[4Corners]

3 hours ago, Billy_T said:

KEY PASSAGE FROM THE INTERVIEW:

" But overall, Muhammad's central thesis was the idea that the Panthers are lacking in accountability among their ranks: A concept that was instilled in Muhammad twice in his early years with the team: When fullback William Floyd joined the team in 1998 from the winning culture of the San Francisco 49ers, and in 2000 when Pro Football Hall of Famer Reggie White was on the team and shared a message for Muhammad. 

Reggie came in the locker room and he saw how talented I was as a player, and he was like 'Man, you work harder than almost anyone on this football team when it comes to being prepared'", said Muhammad. "(Then) he said 'But you're never gonna be great until you start bringing people with you. You've got to go grab your teammates. Because greatness comes when it's not just you who's a great player on your team, but when you start leading other people to greatness.'

"So, where is that? Where are the guys that say 'You know what, he's struggling, I'm gonna teach him how to be a pro ... I'm gonna make sure that we have extra film study ... I'm gonna give them the bit of knowledge and the tutelage and all the nuances of how to be a great player at this position. ... I'm making this assumption, but I think it's true, that it's not occurring. It's just not happening. And there's more of a focus on hurry up and getting out there and having a whole bunch of fun than there is (on) doing the work. Because they're only fun when you work hard."

 

While appearing to be generalizations those quotes are specifically referencing less than a handful of specific players on this team....

....which players is Moose calling out?

 

 

Stick to the racially charged threads bud 

[Carl Spackler]

If Gano were more accurate over the last couple weeks, Ron probably wouldn’t be a surefire bet to get canned. But that’s the story of the NFL, where a few plays bring to light your biggest inadequacies, or they mask them and sweep them under the rug. 

[DeAngelo Beason]

*APPLAUSE*

[The Lobo]

3 hours ago, Johnny Rockets said:

Before everyone jumps on the "Moose speaks the truth" train. I listened to him on my drive home yesterday and he wasn't placing a lot of blame on Ron. He was more harsh on the players....especially Cam.    

 

Stephen A Smith sort of blames Cam today too. One of the few things about this team that are not to blame. 

[Darvinsun]

2 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

I dont get the criticism of Cam at all...  he is great and has made other guys around him better...  hell, he made Funchess fool people into thinking he might be a starting receiver lol.  He's made the OL look way better than what they actually are, ANNNND last but not least, he has carried Ron tk greatness his entire tenure here.

Idk what Moose's deal is if this is aimed primarily at Cam.

It's our demeanor to hate on what we can not be within our on culture. Jealousy! Instead of supporting we look for ways to knock down our fellow man to get more looks at ourselves.

[4Corners]

14 minutes ago, Billy_T said:

Nothing in that post has anything to do with race....you're biased.

Seems logical to start with the Captains....

....not sure if anything has changed since captains were named at the start of season but they are:

Newton --- Olsen --- R. Kalil --- Kuechly --- Peppers --- Jones

Hopefully Moose's comments will serve as a wake-up call for each and every one of them....

....they are all Captains and should be accountable as such.

Didn’t read! 

[TheSpecialJuan]

4 hours ago, bobsfoodbasics said:

Ron is spineless. The only guy he has the balls to throw under the bus is Cam. Hopefully Cam pulls a steve smith one day and punches the poo out of Ron's face.

he's not spineless, he's gutless, and also spineless 

[CRA]

Cam has elevated people.  

Chud.  Shula.  Rivera.  Hell, even McD, Wilks, etc.  All those dudes were elevated because of Cam and have him to thank to a good degree the money they seen the past couple years.  No doubt about that. 

Also, Cam has allowed an entire franchise to neglect a lot of offensive positions over the course of his career.  By being able to survive behind weak overall OLs. 

Cam isn't the traditional leader however people seem to want.  And since he isn't that, he will always get bashed IMO.  

[TheRed]

I don't know what's up with Moose. Admittedly Cam has had some issues with accuracy over the years, but he's having a career season. He's stepped his game up. He led this team to a comeback win down 17 points on the road. We scored 21 points in the 4th quarter. If that isn't elevating other players around you, what the hell is? This just seems like more of the same sour grapes narrative that we've seen over the years. Some people simply cannot hide their jealousy of Newton.