2016 offseason led to this

[TN05]

43 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

So you're saying Jackson needs pass rush to be good? 

I'm saying an extraordinary pass rush like we had in 2003 or 2013 can cover for a bad cornerback corps. A good one like 2015 can complement a great corps very well. We have a bad one this year and it's exposing our gaps in ours, which aside from Jackson (great) and Bradberry (fine) is very bad.

If Jackson isn't hurt last game, however, we might have pulled it out.

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, TN05 said:

I'm saying an extraordinary pass rush like we had in 2003 or 2013 can cover for a bad cornerback corps. A good one like 2015 can complement a great corps very well. We have a bad one this year and it's exposing our gaps in ours, which aside from Jackson (great) and Bradberry (fine) is very bad.

If Jackson isn't hurt last game, however, we might have pulled it out.

Hmm. Maybe we should have signed somebody better than Dontari Poe 

[Car123]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Hmm. Maybe we should have signed somebody better than Dontari Poe 

Who?

[Manther]

9 hours ago, Car123 said:

I don't recall Reid ever getting burned deep.

Not only has Reid been burned deep, he said so himself after the game.

[Car123]

1 hour ago, Manther said:

Not only has Reid been burned deep, he said so himself after the game.

Which play?

[Thanatos]

18 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

A lot of things led to this. Norman aside, the further we get from Gettleman's time here, the worse a lot of it looks. He missed on too many high picks. KB started strong but flamed out. Shaq has underwhelmed. Butler was an outright bust. He swung and missed repeatedly on DL prospects. Butler, Ealy, Hall - all picked in the first three rounds, all busts. When you add in Short and Star, that's five picks on the DL in the first three rounds and yet the is virtually devoid of young talent. He also chose poorly on some re-signings. Short and Turner turned into JAGs after getting paid big money. Safety remains unaddressed and has been a weakness since the days of Minter and Deon Grant. He got our CB position so depleted that he was forced to spam three picks in one draft at the position simply to field a secondary. Captain was a bust of a FA signing and so was that terrible WR from the Bucs.

Then Hurney came back and just added to the mess. Poe looks like a bust of a FA signing. Anderson was definitely a bust. It looks like he nailed his first two picks, but then he drafted a safety in the third who probably can't outrun a single LB on the roster.

The cherry on top was Ron promoting his buddy Eric Washington to DC effectively massively weakening two spots at once - DL coach and DC.

Add some water and mix it all up and you have the '18/'19 Carolina Panthers.

Imma disagree on Shaq, he took awhile to get up there but he was playing great before this year, and this year everyone on D looks bad. Remember when he completely shut down Larry Fitz?

Rest of this is spot on though.

[The Natural]

Hahaha I knew this thread would trigger the Gettleman army. It's absolutely true though. Dave put us in a hole that's going to take some time to climb out of.

[ras977]

11 hours ago, The Natural said:

Hahaha I knew this thread would trigger the Gettleman army. It's absolutely true though. Dave put us in a hole that's going to take some time to climb out of.

WE are her noe because of Gettleman.

[Woodie]

We need better than either Gettleman or Hurney. 

Argue all you want about this move or that move, the bottom line is neither built this team into a consistent contender.  And that's what we need.  A GM that can identify need areas, evaluate talent (both pro and college), and manage the cap, along with being able to find a coach that can take those parts and make a Super Bowl stew.