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2016 offseason led to this

TN05

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32 minutes ago, stratocatter said:

The point of 2016 and Norman is not that we needed to pay Norman a huge multi year deal. Lots of people seem to jump straight to multi year deal when defending Gettleman not keeping Norman. Hell I didn't want him to pay him top dollar multi year either. Mistake written all over that one.  But ONE year, draft the best we can to cover for him being gone in 2017, don't blow your whole draft on it, makes total sense and was the move to make. Paying Norman as a tagged guy for one year buys you time. It is really the only sensible way to approach it. But Gettleman had to swing his dick around. I wanted him gone then and had I been JR he would have been the day he rescinded the tag.

I agree it massively set us back. Maybe Gettleman could have lucked into someone at two of those draft slots he wasted on Sanchez and Worley.

Exactly, not only did he let Norman go, he fuged up the next years draft.

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2 hours ago, Soul Rebel said:

Though we have missed on some draft picks and free agents, at what point is it on the coaching staff for continuing to mold these players into better players.

Could all of these players be that awful, or could it be that the tools that are needed to grow and progress from rookie to established player fall on the shoulders of those that coach them. Offseason regimens, OTAs, training camp, practices, pre-season, in-season progressions, and into the following offseason. Schemes, playing to players advantages and strengths, while minimizing weaknesses, etc.

This coaching staff from top to bottom is bad....it's not all their fault, as players are ultimately responsible for their success as well. However, years of Rivera, Shula, Washington and Rodgers definitely shoulder the blame as well. 

This is a valid point that I don't see stated often enough. Ron and company value vet playing time so much that the youth on the roster sits the bench even in practice!

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Fix the DL this draft by going DT and DE high, and get a true FS to pair with Reid. Reid is young, so I’d keep him here. 

Elder and Captain are trash, but if we’re keeping one then it needs to be Corn. Maybe the outside isn’t for him, but we need to bring in another guy to compete. Jackson and Bradberry are fine as 1 and 2. 

No need to bring Peppers back, and a new drafted DT pushes Poe out. The new DT needs to be in the mold of Star, as that will fix both KK and Luke. If KK still struggles, you cut his ass next year and get his replacement either through high draft pick or free agency. With our funds, we need I bring in a high dollar DE.

The offense is fine. I’d use a late round pick and free agency to shore up the line, and I’d resign Daryl Williams. Kalil is probably gone, so I could see going C high in the draft. I’d keep Olsen one last year, but it’s obvious the Thomas era is quickly approaching. If by next year Thomas still looks lost, you still move on from Olsen, but go TE in the next draft.

2016 was a bad offseason, but we can’t dwell on that. This ship can be righted pretty quickly 

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33 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Really strange how all these problems that started in 2016 somehow skipped the 2017 season and started causing problems in 2018 :thinking:

not really.

bad drafts in the nfl take a few years to rear their heads.

The Panthers don't have a lot of young players from 2014-2016 really contributing much.

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1 hour ago, AggieLean said:

Fix the DL this draft by going DT and DE high, and get a true FS to pair with Reid. Reid is young, so I’d keep him here. 

Elder and Captain are trash, but if we’re keeping one then it needs to be Corn. Maybe the outside isn’t for him, but we need to bring in another guy to compete. Jackson and Bradberry are fine as 1 and 2. 

No need to bring Peppers back, and a new drafted DT pushes Poe out. The new DT needs to be in the mold of Star, as that will fix both KK and Luke. If KK still struggles, you cut his ass next year and get his replacement either through high draft pick or free agency. With our funds, we need I bring in a high dollar DE.

The offense is fine. I’d use a late round pick and free agency to shore up the line, and I’d resign Daryl Williams. Kalil is probably gone, so I could see going C high in the draft. I’d keep Olsen one last year, but it’s obvious the Thomas era is quickly approaching. If by next year Thomas still looks lost, you still move on from Olsen, but go TE in the next draft.

2016 was a bad offseason, but we can’t dwell on that. This ship can be righted pretty quickly 

 

This is what my thought process always comes back to. I see this team sort of like the Saints going into 2017. They had a hell of a draft and hit on some free agent signings, and all of a sudden they were a Super Bowl contender. Were it not for that insane Diggs catch against Minnesota last year they very well could have made the Super Bowl last year.

So yeah player-wise, it's time to heavily invest in the defense again. I just worry about the coaching situation. It's pretty clear at this point what Rivera is, which is at best an average head coach.

Imagine this team with a forward thinking offensive head coach. I have faith David Tepper is taking a look around the league and doing just that.

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24 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

not really.

bad drafts in the nfl take a few years to rear their heads.

The Panthers don't have a lot of young players from 2014-2016 really contributing much.

Players from the 2017 draft are contributing pretty well.

Meanwhile, outside of Wright, 2018 Free Agency was mostly a crapfest.

Honestly, the most positive change to come out of the 2018 offseason is arguably the hiring of Norv Turner, but the defense is offsetting that benefit.

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2 minutes ago, Cary Kollins said:

So yeah player-wise, it's time to heavily invest in the defense again. I just worry about the coaching situation. It's pretty clear at this point what Rivera is, which is at best an average head coach.

Imagine this team with a forward thinking offensive head coach. I have faith David Tepper is taking a look around the league and doing just that.

If we go through a massive roster overhaul just to hand the keys over to Ron Rivera again...oy.

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