You want to know why Moore and Samuel weren’t on the field together?

[TheBiggerCat]

To be honest. Ron and Norv both suck at this point. The game has passed them by and even more so this season. With rule changes you better have an explosive offense and neither one of these guys can get it done. We have most if not all of the pieces on offense to compete with the high powered teams but we dont have the coaching or game planning to go along with it.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

1 hour ago, TheBiggerCat said:

We have most if not all of the pieces on offense to compete with the high powered teams but we dont have the coaching or game planning to go along with it.

This.

[Shaqil915]

2 hours ago, PntherPryd said:

https://www.panthers.com/video/rivera-it-s-not-an-easy-game  starts at the nine minute mark, skip over the 83 "missed opportunities" quotes.

You can tell how uncomfortable he is talking about offense.   The fact that he talks about the offense as "they" says all you need to know.   He was asked if having 10 and 12 on the field at same time meant less time for someone like 17 and he said no, that if 10 and 12 are on the field at the same time "presents difficulties"  (9:30 mark) as to who gets the ball but then seemed to quickly realize that didn't make sense and immediately corrected it to " having both of them on the field doesn't mean they'll get the ball".  

This... this can’t be real.

8 years with this guy... wow.

[tiger7_88]

2 hours ago, Moorgan said:

I'm not even sure what he's TRYING to say. Of course both of them on the field doesn't mean they will get the ball. CMC isn't guaranteed the ball and he's on the field 95% of the time. So what? Having them both on the field means our best WRs are stressing the defense. He's saying whatever it is he's saying to justify that they shouldn't be on the field at the same time or that it doesn't matter? Huh?

And the Rivera Defense Squad will still queue in to assure us that the young guys not getting the majority of snaps is out of Mo-Ron's hands!  He has nothing to do with these decisions!  He's innocent I tell ya!

[Mr. Scot]

18 hours ago, PntherPryd said:

I think it is much more ludicrous to believe there is a conspiracy theory to keep an oft-injured weapon off the field at the same time as Moore.  Even more so when the head of the conspiracy is a defensive minded coach that just hired a HOF'er  to run the offense.

You know the saying about not ascribing to conspiracy what can be explained by incompetence?

 

[tiger7_88]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You know the saying about not ascribing to conspiracy what can be explained by incompetence?

 

That's just a common rephrasing of Hanlon's Razor, I think:

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

Oh, and to go another step further using fancy words, Ron Rivera is a pitch-perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

[Moorgan]

1 minute ago, tiger7_88 said:

That's just a common rephrasing of Hanlon's Razor, I think:

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

Oh, and to go another step further using fancy words, Ron Rivera is a pitch-perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

That would be attributed to Cam and Luke effectively carrying this franchise by exceeding what the coaches have done for them. Basically, what people have been saying for years. Ron's job has been saved for years because Cam and Luke are so good, covering up Ron's inadequacies.

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, TheBiggerCat said:

We have most if not all of the pieces on offense to compete with the high powered teams but we dont have the coaching or game planning to go along with it.

I don't know if I buy that just yet. We have weapons on offense but we're aging in a few spots, and you have to have a defense that's at least capable of stopping a team like the Lions.

Even accepting the premise though, here's the bigger issue...

The primary factor in determining what kind of players we go after in the offseason is Ron Rivera.  GMs go after the kinds of players their head coaches want, so if you're hoping to see us go after, for example, a more athletic safety...might not wanna hold your breath.  Big, hard hitting safeties are Rivera's preference.  What the rest of the league is doing doesn't matter.

As long as the roster continues to be shaped according to Rivera's preferences, I'm not sure much is going to change.

[Snake]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I don't know if I buy that just yet. We have weapons on offense but we're aging in a few spots, and you have to have a defense that's at least capable of stopping a team like the Lions.

Even accepting the premise though, here's the bigger issue...

The primary factor in determining what kind of players we go after in the offseason is Ron Rivera.  GMs go after the kinds of players their head coaches want, so if you're hoping to see us go after, for example, a more athletic safety...might not wanna hold your breath.  Big, hard hitting safeties are Rivera's preference.  What the rest of the league is doing doesn't matter.

As long as the roster continues to be shaped according to Rivera's preferences, I'm not sure much is going to change.

Adaptation is apart of the game. If Rivera doesn't change soon we will have a head coach who will. 

[Jackofalltrades]

20 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

Good god, Ron is a fugging idiot.

”Too many weapons on offense is bad!” proclaimed Mo-Ron Rivera!

That’s exactly how I interpret it. 

Mind blowing incompetence. 

[Mr. Scot]

15 minutes ago, Snake said:

Adaptation is apart of the game. If Rivera doesn't change soon we will have a head coach who will. 

It may be part of the game, but it doesn't seem to be part of Rivera's game.

[shaqattaq]

20 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

Mo-Ron Rivera!

 

[Snake]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

It may be part of the game, but it doesn't seem to be part of Rivera's game.

And soon we will have a new coach because we know Tepper doesn't suffer any fools. I don't want a rebuild but I'm not sure if Rivera will give us much choice. He's just stubborn like Fox was. 

[TheBiggerCat]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

I don't know if I buy that just yet. We have weapons on offense but we're aging in a few spots, and you have to have a defense that's at least capable of stopping a team like the Lions.

Even accepting the premise though, here's the bigger issue...

The primary factor in determining what kind of players we go after in the offseason is Ron Rivera.  GMs go after the kinds of players their head coaches want, so if you're hoping to see us go after, for example, a more athletic safety...might not wanna hold your breath.  Big, hard hitting safeties are Rivera's preference.  What the rest of the league is doing doesn't matter.

As long as the roster continues to be shaped according to Rivera's preferences, I'm not sure much is going to change.

This league has turned into score poo tons of points. Make a couple or few stops or a big play or two on defense. 

Get Rid of Hurney, Rivera and staff. Bring in a good offensive mind to lead this team. Get a good D coordinator that is aggressive. Spend all of our resources in the off season building up the oline. Replace Funchess with another speedster that can actually catch. I do agree with getting some faster ball hawking safeties on D but otherwise I wouldn't put another penny in the defense and maybe even get rid of some dead weight. Now is the time do this. Otherwise I fear we will just be wasting more time and Cams career.