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You want to know why Moore and Samuel weren’t on the field together?

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13 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

What station? I will look it up

The usual 610 Wfnz....the mac attack. I listen to them for a lil while on my way to work every morning for panthers talk. They were pointing how dumb of a response it was as well and they are usually pro Rivera.

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14 hours ago, Saca312 said:

On Curtis Samuel’s 11 snaps when he was out on a pass play, Cam threw it to him 7 times.

This, to me, is actually a problem.  A big problem.  You're now telling the defense "If Curtis is on the field, you better cover him because he's getting the ball".  Instead of having him out there, and forcing the defense to *constantly* pay attention to him, you're giving them a break.

I don't get it.  If a receiver gets open, catches the ball and gets massive YAC . . . what's the downside to using him as a decoy for CMC?  Look, I get it.  CMC, DJ and Curtis aren't big guys, you aren't going to scare anyone with your ability to run power with those guys all on the field.  Instead, you're going to absolutely terrorize defense with the concern that the little 3 yard dump off turns into 50+ *at any time*.

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12 hours ago, Peppers90 NC said:

Moose suggested on the radio today that if Samuel played more, teams would game plan for him more and thus making him less effective.

If they "game plan for (Samuel) more" then guess what?

Because a defense only has a fixed number of 11 players, that means that they game plan for CMC and DJ (and Cam too) *less*.

I mean, you're just not allowed to add extra players to "game plan" for the new guy.

How many NFL offensive coordinators are spending sleepless nights "game planning" for Devin Funchess and/or Torrey Smith, ya think?

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48 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

If they "game plan for (Samuel) more" then guess what?

Because a defense only has a fixed number of 11 players, that means that they game plan for CMC and DJ (and Cam too) *less*.

I mean, you're just not allowed to add extra players to "game plan" for the new guy.

How many NFL offensive coordinators are spending sleepless nights "game planning" for Devin Funchess and/or Torrey Smith, ya think?

I agree there is some validity to it, I certainly am not suggesting it be the reason he/they shouldnt be on the field. Moore and Samuel are by far and away our best playmakers on the outside, the only two who dont go down as soon as they catch it. I would love for them to be on the field 90% of the snaps if it were feasible.

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43 minutes ago, bull123 said:

i heard in his presser yesterday...said if they are on field together it presents challenges as to who gets the ball

https://www.panthers.com/video/rivera-it-s-not-an-easy-game  starts at the nine minute mark, skip over the 83 "missed opportunities" quotes.

You can tell how uncomfortable he is talking about offense.   The fact that he talks about the offense as "they" says all you need to know.   He was asked if having 10 and 12 on the field at same time meant less time for someone like 17 and he said no, that if 10 and 12 are on the field at the same time "presents difficulties"  (9:30 mark) as to who gets the ball but then seemed to quickly realize that didn't make sense and immediately corrected it to " having both of them on the field doesn't mean they'll get the ball".  

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7 minutes ago, PntherPryd said:

https://www.panthers.com/video/rivera-it-s-not-an-easy-game  starts at the nine minute mark, skip over the 83 "missed opportunities" quotes.

You can tell how uncomfortable he is talking about offense.   The fact that he talks about the offense as "they" says all you need to know.   He was asked if having 10 and 12 on the field at same time meant less time for someone like 17 and he said no, that if 10 and 12 are on the field at the same time "presents difficulties"  (9:30 mark) as to who gets the ball but then seemed to quickly realize that didn't make sense and immediately corrected it to " having both of them on the field doesn't mean they'll get the ball".  

I'm not even sure what he's TRYING to say. Of course both of them on the field doesn't mean they will get the ball. CMC isn't guaranteed the ball and he's on the field 95% of the time. So what? Having them both on the field means our best WRs are stressing the defense. He's saying whatever it is he's saying to justify that they shouldn't be on the field at the same time or that it doesn't matter? Huh?

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15 hours ago, Peppers90 NC said:

I don’t believe anything Ron says. He has no respect for the fans trying to pass of this BS for so long. 

Moose suggested on the radio today that if Samuel played more, teams would game plan for him more and thus making him less effective. While I see what he is saying, it’s definitely worth the risk. It’s just so easy to plan for other guys who fall after the catch like uhm, 17.

Well Moose is pretty stupid. Does that mean you sit Antonio Brown 60% of snaps so teams cant game plan against him?

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If you are too dense to see what the issue is with CMC's and Samuel's snap counts....you don't need to be on the sideline of an NFL franchise.

I'm fully on board the "moving on" train at this point.  We cannot hope to be able to stay with the offensive explosion that is coming with this man at the helm.

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