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Here's a VERY realistic road map to Rivera being fired after the season...


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I see all these threads but who the fug is gonna want to coach us?

 

There is no Sean Mcvays waiting to be signed to the panthers.

 

Our luck we would hire some App State assistant quality WR coach. Why fire Ron who is a solid average NFL coach. We won't get anyone better? Thats pretty demoralizing to Cam and everyone on the team he's worked with for years. Starting over would probably cause a lot of players to wanna dip. None of our good players want to play under a rebuild. 

 

 

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48 minutes ago, Immortal said:

I see all these threads but who the fug is gonna want to coach us?

 

There is no Sean Mcvays waiting to be signed to the panthers.

 

Our luck we would hire some App State assistant quality WR coach. Why fire Ron who is a solid average NFL coach. We won't get anyone better? Thats pretty demoralizing to Cam and everyone on the team he's worked with for years. Starting over would probably cause a lot of players to wanna dip. None of our good players want to play under a rebuild. 

 

 

Seriously. What coach would lead us to the promised land? We could actually get someone worse  than Rivera, but you don’t know until you try.

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He gone.

Our season took some body blows against Atlanta and Washington.  Then we got fooled by the comeback in Philly, and an exciting record-long GW FG  against NYG, when really we deserved to lose both of those games based off our performance in all 8 quarters.  Then Pittsburgh put the the team in a coffin, and today, Detroit put the nails in it.

Tepper won't put up with this mediocre poo.  He inherited Rivera, and I think he's seen enough to know he is a problem.  

Also, we probably finish 8-8 and New Orleans is going to relentlessly pummel us into dust both games.  I hate that it's another year wasted, but if it gets us out from under Rivera, so be it.

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3 hours ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

We started 6-2 and I think it's going to take a miracle to go 9-7. Why? That 6-2 has already turned into 6-4 with back-to-back humiliating losses, including one on national TV. There is no chance in hell that we're beating the Saints either time we play them. So we're up to 6 losses. That means that to salvage a winning record after starting 6-2, we need to win 3 out of 4 between the Seahawks/Bucs/Browns/Falcons. Can that be done? It can, but I think it's 50/50 that we finish 8-8 or 9-7. If we miss the playoffs with an 8-8 record and get humiliated by the Saints twice in three weeks to close out the season after starting 6-2 there is ABSOfugINGLUTELY a chance that Rivera gets fired, especially with a new owner. Missing the playoffs after starting 6-2 would be one of the biggest disasters in our history. I prefer us to go 9-7 even if it means keeping Rivera one more year just so we can get that monkey off our backs, but if firing Rivera is the consolation prize, I'm completely down with that.

I would be surprised if RR is fired this year.  We likely will end with a winning record, though might miss the playoffs.  Tepper has his eyes on a new indoor practice field and that will be the priority.  RR can help with working politicians and community big wigs that a new head coach from out of town will not be able to do as well.    Maybe I'm wrong, but traditionally you don't change a key face of the franchise during a capital campaign.

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The problem is, this is a multi-layered issue and there's no easy answer.

1:

I'm of the opinion that Rivera should be gone and have been since SB 50.  His inability to make Shula make adjustments in the biggest game of their coaching lives in and of itself should've gotten him dropped.  

2:

Rivera plateauing aside, we're likely facing a couple year retooling of the defense at best as we're too old at too many positions as it is to reliably try to be as complete a team as possible to try to match up against the goddamn Falcons, Saints, AFC demigods like Fixburgh or New Cheatland, and likely as much as I hate them even Seattle.

The secondary needs to get younger and faster and I'm not convinced Bradberry is any kind of viable starter as he seems to exist solely to make tackles.  He very rarely, if ever, plays the ball, isn't fast enough to face the monsters at wr that we have in the division, and generally has been more meh than wow.

Jackson started off hot but has come back down to earth and part of me worries that Rivera influenced that somehow.

The d-line...good god, what a disaster.  At times, they remind me of the disastrous interior book-ends of Fua and McClain.  Forever Useless Atrocity is what I'll always think of him as, and McClain...I cannot remember a single positive moment he ever had with us.

Butler has been largely invisible and made me snort in derision on multiple occasions today when he was blocked out of multiple plays at will seemingly with little fuss by interior Lions linemen, Obada was a nice story but has also been a non-factor, and the rest of the line is JAGs at best or Peppers in his last hurrah.

It's so sad to see a team that wants to believe it's strong in the trenches not be all that great at at least one aspect of that, though by and large I still think the oline is okay.  We really need Williams back next year and hopefully at an affordable rate, and for Moton to be back on the left, and to honestly hopefully have found a replacement for Ryan as he'll never be what he was and we may as well retool there sooner rather than later.

But back to defensive speed...Davis really should be done for both his sake and the betterment of the team, and I say this as someone who thinks he's one of the most inspirational stories in the history of the NFL.  

And I hate it....but I'm starting to wonder the same think about Luke.  He hasn't looked right all year, and I keep wondering if it's already signs that the concussions have taken too much from him, or he's just too worried about getting another and isn't playing as ferociously.  

The obvious problem being, man, I hate to put yet another first round pick at linebacker, but I have no idea who the fa mlbs are and I'm sure Luke will only retire on his terms, but if he can't shake whatever it is that's bothering him, we have to start looking at a replacement.  And I hate that, and concussions, and whatever mlb curse we have, but it might just have come time to consider that.

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With all the defensive turnover we'd be facing, since I'm not sure Adams, Peppers and Davis has more than this season left in them, I'd be really worried about adding in a new head coach and coaching staff into that, but I don't know how else to improve.

I think Rivera's taken us as far as we're going to go, and while I don't mind Norv to this point for the most part, maybe the offense would be even better with a younger fresher mind at HC.

The obvious question being who, but I don't have the time or inclination to put enough research into answering that question.  None of the current OCs in the NFL I'm aware of have enough experience at the position for my liking, but maybe Tepper can use his big brass balls to force Hurney into some daring hire I've never heard of that sets the world ablaze ala the Rams.

Ultimately, I wish with all my heart that Rivera was the head coach he promised he was when he was hired...that we'd be aggressive, make the other team play our game, that we'd attack them at their strengths and so forth.

What we've gotten is too similar to John Fox and we all know how that era ended.

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5 hours ago, Immortal said:

I see all these threads but who the fug is gonna want to coach us?

There is no Sean Mcvays waiting to be signed to the panthers.

Our luck we would hire some App State assistant quality WR coach. Why fire Ron who is a solid average NFL coach. We won't get anyone better? Thats pretty demoralizing to Cam and everyone on the team he's worked with for years. Starting over would probably cause a lot of players to wanna dip. None of our good players want to play under a rebuild.

Nobody knew Sean McVay was gonna be good before he was hired either. 

Heck, if "solid average" was enough, why did we fire John Fox (or Mike Shula, for that matter)?  Sounds like we should be applauding the Bengals for hanging on to Marvin Lewis.

There are always quality head coaching candidates available, every year.  You just have to be smart enough to find them.

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Ive seen enough to realize Ron is like a Marty or an Andy and will have winning seasons but never the big one, so I would love to find a winner.

With that being said,..

be careful what everyone wishes for,...

We could get into a situation like the Browns and Lions where we rotate coaches like shirts,..and then remember "back in the day" when we used to go to the playoffs.

I mean,.. what if Rons replacement ended up being Hue Jackson? 

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