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Doc Holiday

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I have no problem with people wanting Rivera fired because of a belief that he'll never get us over the top. What irks me are the people that claim he's a terrible head coach when by nearly every metric he's at least above average.

I gave a challenge once b4 that if he's so terrible then surely someone can name 15 head coaches better than him, how about 12? No one tried, because they knew they couldn't because he's not as bad as people make him out to be and for whatever reason that's hard to admit. 

And that's not to say that this means he shouldn't be fired. Sometimes it's time for a change. He's been here 8 years and hasn't won the big one, time to move on. That's fine, but that doesnt make him terrible. Seek to be as accurate with your criticisms as you are vehement. 

And the Rivera being "saved" by Cam, and would be "nothing" without Cam idea is a flawed POV imo. 1 because to some extent every QB "saves" their coach. The QB is in charge of the offense, and it take points to win. Name one coach who is thought of to be good who doesnt also have a good QB? The only one I can think of is Harbaugh, and they are poised to fire him too. And 2, every year we've been successful, Rivera has fielded top 12 defenses. Cam only plays one side of the ball. You can't say Cam is saving Rivera when the defense in the past has more than held their own, and in 2013 you can make the argument that the defense was saving the O.

All that being said, this fanbase as a whole doesnt realize what he have in Cam. I dont think he's nearly appreciated enough in general, before this year he had to seemingly do it all on offense besides having Olsen. He's great. All I'm saying is Rivera isn't terrible. 

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Mr. Scot Grand Master

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14 minutes ago, Doc Holiday said:

Pretty sure he was the same guy from the Selfies he's posted. both also liked(or used to) brag about how rich they are .

I mean if you know him and know its not him I will stop calling him Alice, and apologize, but i'm fairly certain its him.

 

They look nothing alike. Alice was light haired and white. Bigcat looks like Sayid from "Lost".

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2 minutes ago, Doc Holiday said:

No, but Gano missing played a Bigger roll than anything else today. Like DJ Moore in the Redskins game. yeah would we have squeaked a win out if Gano just makes his kicks, yes, but you should know as well as anyone winning in the NFL is hard. 

Rivera has a long tract record of Success, if you want to admit it or not, he does. 

But with all that said, I think I even told you this before the season started, Tepper didnt spend all that money to not make a the Changes he wants to make. And that I thought the moment Tepper was bought the team Rivera's days were numbered.

But I also think Rivera is a lot better than many want to give him credit for, and I'm perfectly fine with him staying right now, because I like watching teams wins games. and Ive seen many many years where we didnt.

Right now, I just want Washington fired. but it is what it is. 

Well just say you’re content with Ron Rivera as a coach and step aside. There’s not much supporting the notion that he’s a good coach and fans are beginning to bear witness as to how bad he is. 

Your need to be his one true white knight is perplexing as all hell.

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2 minutes ago, emhoward said:

I have no problem with people wanting Rivera fired because of a belief that he'll never get us over the top. What irks me are the people that claim he's a terrible head coach when by nearly every metric he's at least above average.

I gave a challenge once b4 that if he's so terrible then surely someone can name 15 head coaches better than him, how about 12? No one tried, because they knew they couldn't because he's not as bad as people make him out to be and for whatever reason that's hard to admit. 

And that's not to say that this means he shouldn't be fired. Sometimes it's time for a change. He's been here 8 years and hasn't won the big one, time to move on. That's fine, but that doesnt make him terrible. Seek to be as accurate with your criticisms as you are vehement. 

And the Rivera being "saved" by Cam, and would be "nothing" without Cam idea is a flawed POV imo. 1 because to some extent every QB "saves" their coach. The QB is in charge of the offense, and it take points to win. Name one coach who is thought of to be good who doesnt also have a good QB? The only one I can think of is Harbaugh, and they are poised to fire him too. And 2, every year we've been successful, Rivera has fielded top 12 defenses. Cam only plays one side of the ball. You can't say Cam is saving Rivera when the defense in the past has more than held their own, and in 2013 you can make the argument that the defense was saving the O.

All that being said, this fanbase as a whole doesnt realize what he have in Cam. I dont think he's nearly appreciated enough in general, before this year he had to seemingly do it all on offense besides having Olsen. He's great. All I'm saying is Rivera isn't terrible. 

You gave that challenge and literally everybody in the thread gave their answer lol. 

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28 minutes ago, Inimicus said:

If thats true

It isn't. Big Cat used to go by Charlottenean on here in the back in the day and looks nothing like Alice.

Alice was from New Orleans, BC is in Charlotte area. Not sure how this dude is getting them mixed up.

 

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16 minutes ago, Doc Holiday said:

No, but Gano missing played a Bigger roll than anything else today. Like DJ Moore in the Redskins game. yeah would we have squeaked a win out if Gano just makes his kicks, yes, but you should know as well as anyone winning in the NFL is hard. 

Rivera has a long tract record of Success, if you want to admit it or not, he does. 

But with all that said, I think I even told you this before the season started, Tepper didnt spend all that money to not make a the Changes he wants to make. And that I thought the moment Tepper was bought the team Rivera's days were numbered.

But I also think Rivera is a lot better than many want to give him credit for, and I'm perfectly fine with him staying right now, because I like watching teams wins games. and Ive seen many many years where we didnt.

Right now, I just want Washington fired. but it is what it is. 

Rivera / Gettleman has a track record of success. Rivera / Hurney, not so much.

Regardless, if having a previous track record of success is enough to keep a guy in a job, why'd we fire John Fox? For that matter, why'd we fire Mike Shula? All the same arguments you're applying to Rivera could have been uaed to save his job as well.

Past success doesn't guarantee you'll keep winning. Heck, Mike Shula looked like a winner for one season, but the league caught up to him.

That's what happens, and you're either smart enough to keep adjusting and adapting so that you stay ahead of the game, or you're not.

From where I sit right now, evidence says Rivera is not.

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Andy Reid was also a successful coach with the Eagles but even he got fired at some point. The ultimate objective of playing football is to win the Super Bowl. Ron Rivera has been given more than enough time to get there and games like today and last Thursday is making this season look like another one and done in the playoff run at best.  Yes, there is always the risk that a change of coaches may make things worse but we already know that what we have now isn't enough.

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Donald LaFell

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It is good to take time off, I didn’t even watch the game today and I’m glad for it. Watching football games isn’t a hobby anymore than watching Netflix, it’s silly to base too much of my happiness on it. Will always love the Panthers. It’s hard to be a die hard and accomplish everything else. 

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Everybody remembers Jimmy Johnson, right?

You wanna talk about a track record of success? How about the Cowboys in the 90s? Super Bowl championships won in what could easily be referred to as "convincing fashion", and it looked like the gravy train had no end in sight.

And then Jerry Jones decided to be a drunken moron. And a little while later, Jimmy Johnson was coaching the Miami Dolphins.

How'd that work out?

Want another example? How about the guy who had the best winning percentage of any head coach in history?

His name was George Seifert.

"Oh, but these guys changed teams" you say. Fine. Let's talk about a guy nicknamed "Chucky". Had a lot of success early, but the longer he was in charge, the worse the team got.

What's the point of all this? That success in the NFL is extremely fluid. And just because you were successful in previous years doesn't mean you'll stay there, especially if you're stuck in your ways.

We've got plenty of fans who covet players that used to be good. Why would we assume that coaches always stay good?

 

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This team sucks.....period. Call me a lousy fan, or whatever you want. All I know is the sh%t show i watch every week doesn't lie. Same crap it seems every year, for more years that I care to remember.

You want to wave the pom poms, be my quest. They suck.

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