Video: Ron Rivera on why he went for two

[Mage]

9 minutes ago, Mage said:

In 2013, we were playing the Buffalo Bills.  It was about a 1:30 left in the game.  We were leading 20-17.  It was 4th and 1 at the Bills 21 yard line.  Instead of going for it, Rivera opts to kick the field goal (about the same distance as an XP) to put us up 23-17.  Bills drive down the field in 1 minute and win the game.  

Everyone lambasted Rivera.  And don't a single person in this forum who was here in 2013 deny it.  Everyone was pissed.  "Why be so conservative?  Good coaches go for the win!"  Like, anyone who was here will tell you that was as heated as the Panthers forum had been.  It was after that game that Riverboat Ron became a thing.

Now 5 years later, Rivera is being criticized for going for the win instead of settling for the tie/XP/kick.  Hilarious.  But people tell me they wouldn't criticize him if he went for the XP and we lost?  A damn lie.  History proves that.

That isn't the only game either.  Who remembers the reaction to the Falcons game in 2012?  

4th and 1 on the Falcons 45 with 1:44 left to go.  It was a tie game.  Instead of going for it, Panthers wasted clock and let the clock run down to 1:09 before taking a delay of game and punting it.  Falcons drove down the field and kicked a FG to win in less than a minute.  

People were pissed.  "Why play for the tie?  Go for it with Cam and get the win!"  But now people mad Rivera ain't play for the tie?

Come on now.  

[Davidson Deac II]

3 hours ago, ras977 said:

Who the fug knows--he was horseshit today--going for 2 was the right call.

All that matters is the end result.  Since we lost, it was not the right call.

[tiger7_88]

2 hours ago, Mage said:

In 2013, we were playing the Buffalo Bills.  It was about a 1:30 left in the game.  We were leading 20-17.

Looks like somebody thinks he's making a point using utterly incomparable situations.

Please so tell me, even IF the situations were comparable (which they were not), what are the percentages of the Carolina Panthers with Cam Newton as their QB picking up a 4th and 1?  Then follow that up with telling me what are the percentages of the Carolina Panthers with Cam Newton as their QB picking up a 2-pt conversion?

Dis gon' be gud.

[Car123]

2 hours ago, Mage said:

In 2013, we were playing the Buffalo Bills.  It was about a 1:30 left in the game.  We were leading 20-17.  It was 4th and 1 at the Bills 21 yard line.  Instead of going for it, Rivera opts to kick the field goal (about the same distance as an XP) to put us up 23-17.  Bills drive down the field in 1 minute and win the game.  

Everyone lambasted Rivera.  And don't a single person in this forum who was here in 2013 deny it.  Everyone was pissed.  "Why be so conservative?  Good coaches go for the win!"  Like, anyone who was here will tell you that was as heated as the Panthers forum had been.  It was after that game that Riverboat Ron became a thing.

Now 5 years later, Rivera is being criticized for going for the win instead of settling for the tie/XP/kick.  Hilarious.  But people tell me they wouldn't criticize him if he went for the XP and we lost?  A damn lie.  History proves that.

Jesus fuging Christ, we were in the lead.

not comparable at all. 

[Darvinsun]

2 hours ago, Mage said:

That isn't the only game either.  Who remembers the reaction to the Falcons game in 2012?  

4th and 1 on the Falcons 45 with 1:44 left to go.  It was a tie game.  Instead of going for it, Panthers wasted clock and let the clock run down to 1:09 before taking a delay of game and punting it.  Falcons drove down the field and kicked a FG to win in less than a minute.  

People were pissed.  "Why play for the tie?  Go for it with Cam and get the win!"  But now people mad Rivera ain't play for the tie?

Come on now.  

Your playing fore win and ending all chances of a comeack in the bills game and you have the best short yardage Qb in the league. Field goal just keeps them from getting a field goal to tie it. To win the game the game they still needed a 3rd to win it so the extra 3 points did not matter. Put the game away with your short yardage game.

Falcons the same 1 us you have the best shortage Qb in the game. Falcons have a stout offense you can' let Matt Ryan have the ball back either more than 30 secs for field goal range to win the game  he is good at that. 

[Snake]

I have to say the man is unpredictable but is always on the losing end of his gambles. I'm not sure even if we got two we would have won and really why the extra point would have mattered. 

[KBRed]

How was this not the right call? I was begging for it before we scored. People are saying take the higher percentage shot, thinking it’s the extra point, but why are we not accounting for the two chip shots that were missed. 

If Ron called extra point and Gano missed it, everyone would be asking for his head because he should’ve gone for two. He can’t come out and say...’we went for two because Gano sucked today’. 

The call was the right call, and it sucks it wasn’t converted. But, Funchess and Gano lost this game. I was screaming at the tv to take Funchess out of the game. The least Ron could do was to take Gano out of the game to give us a chance at winning. 

[Mage]

1 hour ago, tiger7_88 said:

Looks like somebody thinks he's making a point using utterly incomparable situations.

Please so tell me, even IF the situations were comparable (which they were not), what are the percentages of the Carolina Panthers with Cam Newton as their QB picking up a 4th and 1?  Then follow that up with telling me what are the percentages of the Carolina Panthers with Cam Newton as their QB picking up a 2-pt conversion?

Dis gon' be gud.

It’s a 1 yard difference lmao

[CatMan72]

7 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I support the call, but at the same time there's zero chance you make that call unless your kicker has been spraying the ball all over the place all day... which ours had.

...and you're defense has been allowing your opponent to move the ball at will, which ours had.

[tiger7_88]

9 hours ago, Mage said:

It’s a 1 yard difference lmao

Its a 1-yard difference but, again, you try to compare two situations which are incomparable.

The 2-yard conversion was at the 2-yard line with the defense having only to defend the end-zone and the team 1 point behind.  Failure means losing the game.

The 1-yard conversion was (as you pointed out) at the 21 yard line with the defense having to defend the entire red-zone plus a QB sneak with the team 3 points ahead.  Failure means the team is still 3 points in the lead.

Its stunning to me how someone has to point out to you that these two situations are in no way, shape, or form, comparable.

[panthers55]

12 hours ago, Davidson Deac II said:

All that matters is the end result.  Since we lost, it was not the right call.

It was the right decision but not executed well. They are not the same at all. The result doesn't mean the decision was wrong simply the result was a loss. If we tied it and they went down the field and kicked a field goal would that decision have been wrong too? Honestly I think it was the right call but executed poorly.

[Carolina Cajun]

18 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

"I think you go for two on the road to win the game."

 

I cannot recall him ever doing this before.

 

 

In 2016 season (game played in 2017 since it was the last game of the year), last game of the season against the bucs, he went for 2 on the last play of the season on the road in tampa.  FWIW, also didn't convert there.  There was nothing on the line though like there was for this game.

Edit to add the video of that uneventful game

 

[dave-o]

We just missed a few opportunities and need go in and re-evaluate....

[BrianS]

11 hours ago, CatMan72 said:

...and you're defense has been allowing your opponent to move the ball at will, which ours had.

Stop.  You're just wrong.

That's the Lions drive chart.  How many drives more than 10 plays?  Yea, 3.  They were not driving "at will" by any means.  Only three times all game did the Lions move the ball more than 50 yards.  Only four times did they move it the 40 yards that would have been required to go from their 25 to our 35 for a long field goal attempt to win.

Our defense wasn't great yesterday, but neither was the Lions offense.