Ron just staked his career (and potentially the season) on that playcall

[mbarbour21]

Sorry, don’t agree on this one. We got beat all day, no reason to think we were gonna stop them. It wasn’t Gano he didn’t trust. He didn’t trust the defense. If they would have kicked the XP and defense didn’t hold......then everyone would be saying Rivera is too soft. He should have went for it. Hindsight is 20/20. 

[Saca312]

edit: eh whatever. just venting over this loss.

[pantherphan96]

you are playing in a hostile environment, i dont care if your opponent has 10 wins or 3 wins, you dont play for OT, you play for the win.

like our defense is magically going to become competent because we managed to scrape another quarter of game time? 

[Saca312]

"cam usually overthrows his receivers"

by god people will ignore the brady and rodgers overthrows but because cam's a gunslinger and a running qb he gets the worst perception among everyone over something non-existent my god.

[Mage]

1 minute ago, KillerKat said:

Its about being smart. Even if we make it, Detroit has all 3 TOs and plenty of time against our soft D to get Prater into FG range to kick the game winning FG. It just didn't make sense all around to go for 2.

Dude, just stop.  It ain't about being smart.  It's about confirmation bias, which 50% of this site is guilty of doing.  

And lets say your theory was the likely scenario.  How in the hell does that make going for 2 bad then?  Worst case scenario, they kick the FG to win the game as you suggest.  Best case scenario, they don't kick the FG to win the game and we win.  But in your scenario that we don't go for 2, it goes into overtime and they get another chance to get the ball and drive on us.  So please, please tell me how if the Lions were guaranteed to score, how going for 2 was a bad decision?  Your argument makes no sense.

You guys are just being hypocritical.  You want Rivera to be aggressive until it doesn't work, at which point you will bash him.  Then as soon as he's conservative, it's "what happened to Riverboat Ron?"  Hell most of ya'll were criticizing him during the Eagles game for not going for it on 4th and 2 on our side of the field.  But now it's about "being smart"?  Right.

Just admit you guys don't want Rivera as head coach and that it had nothing to do with the play-call.  Because if the Lions were guaranteed to score, I don't know how you could possibly think going for 2 wasn't the smart play-call.  

[PhillyB]

3 minutes ago, Mage said:

I'm frustrated by this loss but LMAO at this thread.

People for months have complained that Rivera is soft and that Rivera is too conservative.  So he goes aggressive and Cam Newton misses the WR and now its a bad thing?  

i'm not complaining about rivera having balls, i'm complaining about him choosing a poor time to be ballsy.

riverboat ron was borne of mathematical analysis of risk/reward and built on the reward being higher than a risk that was far smaller than popularly viewed. the crux of the criticism here is a complete failure to understand the risk, which was far, far greater than a laughably small reward. in the situation that point was nearly meaningless.

[Cpt slay a ho]

Dumb decision, no logical reason for us to go for 2 there...

[saints4lifeagain]

Just now, Saca312 said:

Usual? That was the only one the whole game.

And sadly the only throw people are going to remember.

I already said Cam missed no mistake about that. Even then, of course everyone's going to point to one fugging throw (as usual) and say that's how Cam normally is (it isn't).

Now we're going to argue he doesn't throw high and fast a lot? It's one of the reasons his accuracy is questioned, not because of completion percentage, but ball placement. 

Deny it all you want. It's the truth. 

[jopie87]

2 minutes ago, mbarbour21 said:

Sorry, don’t agree on this one. We got beat all day, no reason to think we were gonna stop them. It wasn’t Gano he didn’t trust. He didn’t trust the defense. If they would have kicked the XP and defense didn’t hold......then everyone would be saying Rivera is too soft. He should have went for it. Hindsight is 20/20. 

If they would have converted and the defense doesnt hold, you still lose. You gain nothing by going for it.

[cptx]

2 minutes ago, mbarbour21 said:

If they would have kicked the XP and defense didn’t hold

If the defense doesn't hold they lose either way, one point or two.

[PantherGuy]

13 minutes ago, BananaGrabber said:

I’d be saying that we just put the Lions into 4 down territory with over a minute to play. With our horrendous defense, that’s the last thing we need. Had there have been 20 or fewer seconds left in the game, going for 2 is the perfect decision. Doing it while Detroit still has time and multiple timeouts is ridiculous

 

trust me, I’m under the belief teams generally shouldn’t punt with under 4 yards to go, and should regularly go for 2, but there are instances in which it’s a terrible decision. Whether we converted or not, this was one of them.

I generally don't have a problem with what we did, but this is a dam good point.

[KillerKat]

3 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

also blaming the players is incredibly stupid and betrays a lack of understanding of how coaching decisions are evaluated. your gamble has to include the possibility of the players not making the play.

cam not making the throw is not an excuse for rivera. cam not making the throw is a possibility and ron didn't properly calculate the risk of that happening.

All that accomplished for Rivera is to have all the mouth breathers that know nothing about football blame the whole game on Cam. Sometimes I think that is Rivera's goal. To set the players up for failure so that he can deflect the blame on to them instead of taking any responsibility himself.

[fjblair]

3 minutes ago, mbarbour21 said:

Sorry, don’t agree on this one. We got beat all day, no reason to think we were gonna stop them. It wasn’t Gano he didn’t trust. He didn’t trust the defense. If they would have kicked the XP and defense didn’t hold......then everyone would be saying Rivera is too soft. He should have went for it. Hindsight is 20/20. 

Nobody who has ever watched a football game would have second guessed Rivera for kicking the PAT. Nobody.

[Pimpdaddy]

Tep...ur not running a hedge fund...this is an easy call...it aint getting better with Riv and washington...but thanks for keeping our record intact of no back to back winning season and making two hall of fame LB's look like college rookies...the way things are...time to rock sht..