Panthers WAIVE CJ Anderson

[Toomers]

  What’s really sad is we had to come here in the middle of the night to have a decent discussion. 

[Mage]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I've "ignored it" because it didn't happen.

Anderson wasn't a free agent. He was released in mid-April. the Broncos were actually fielding trade offers prior to that but didn't find one to their liking. Within a few days of his release, it was reported that at least eight different teams were pursuing him.

Marty Hurney mentioned in an interview that we were on the phone with his agent very shortly after the Broncos let him go. In the end, the whole process took just a couple of weeks, and a phone call from Jonathan Stewart went a long way towards sealing the deal.

if you doubt me, a quick Google search will confirm everything I've just told you.

So ya see, this whole narrative you've got built up in your head about him sitting and waiting from the start of free agency and nobody calling, yeah... didn't happen.

 

Doesn't change the fact the Broncos were super willing to just cut a 26 year old RB.  But OK, I'll give you that.

So do you think CAP -> CJ is difference between a playoff win and a playoff loss?

[GoPanthers123]

Anderson realized he will be on the bench with CMC and Cam getting most of the rushes, so he probably requested the trade if he will not get more touches.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Mage said:

Doesn't change the fact the Broncos were super willing to just cut a 26 year old RB.  But OK, I'll give you that.

So do you think CAP -> CJ is difference between a playoff win and a playoff loss?

The Broncos cut him for cap reasons. The contract in question had actually been offered to him by the Dolphins. The Broncos had chosen to match it, but later on were up against the cap so they let him go. They actually ended up letting a lot of good players go for cap reasons because they went "all in" for their Super Bowl season.

And yes: If McCaffrey gets hurt, having less depth will hurt us, probably a lot.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, GoPanthers123 said:

Anderson realized he will be on the bench with CMC and Cam getting most of the rushes, so he probably requested the trade if he will not get more touches.

Has been confirmed that he did not request to be traded or released.

[Mage]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

And yes: If McCaffrey gets hurt, having less depth will hurt us, probably a lot.

So you think the difference between Cameron Artis-Payne and CJ Anderson is a playoff win?

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, Mage said:

So you think the difference between Cameron Artis-Payne and CJ Anderson is a playoff win?

I wasn't convinced this team could win a playoff game as it already was (not with this defense).

But do I think we could win a playoff game with Cameron Artis-Payne as our starting runningback? Aaaahhh, no.

With CJ Anderson as our starter? Maybe. We'd have a hell of a lot better shot at it than we would with CAP.

[Mage]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I wasn't convinced this team could win a playoff game as it already was (not with this defense).

But do I think we could win a playoff game with Cameron Artis-Payne as our starting runningback? Aaaahhh, no.

With CJ Anderson as our starter? Maybe. We'd have a hell of a lot better shot at it than we would with CAP.

"A hell of a lot better"?  Why though?  Exactly how many yards would you expect CAP to run for vs CJ? 

I'm just not seeing it.  Both IMO get out-paced by Cam.  CJ is a consistent down-to-down runner, but he doesn't give you any big play potential.  I don't think it would make that big of a difference.  But fair enough we'll just agree to disagree at this point.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Mage said:

"A hell of a lot better"?  Why though?  Exactly how many yards would you expect CAP to run for vs CJ? 

I'm just not seeing it.  Both IMO get out-paced by Cam.  CJ is a consistent down-to-down runner, but he doesn't give you any big play potential.  I don't think it would make that big of a difference.  But fair enough we'll just agree to disagree at this point.

Yeah...I don't think you've watched much of CJ Anderson. I can remember seeing him as a rookie and thinking he was a guy I'd love to have be part of the Panthers. Highlights of his past seasons aren't hard to find.

And again, if you listened to a lot of the analysts around the time we signed him, the most common comparison was to Jonathan Stewart. We won a lot of games with Stewart, so yes, having another runningback of that caliber would be a really good thing.

[Mage]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Yeah...I don't think you've watched much of CJ Anderson. I can remember seeing him as a rookie and thinking he was a guy I'd love to have be part of the Panthers. Highlights of his past seasons aren't hard to find.

And again, if you listened to a lot of the analysts around the time we signed him, the most common comparison was to Jonathan Stewart. We won a lot of games with Stewart, so yes, having another runningback of that caliber would be a really good thing.

Dude, I literally compared Anderson to Stewart on the other page.  Stop trying that holier-than-thou crap with me.  I don't need to listen to analysts to form my own opinion on a player.  Clearly my evaluation of him is accurate if I can compare him to the player you need to listen to analysts to figure out.  But yeah, I haven't watched much of CJ Anderson.  Sorry I don't watch teh highlights like you.

And sure, we won a lot of games with Stewart.  We also won a lot of games with Remmers and Matt Kalil blocking for Cam.  So what?  How in the world does that prove CJ Anderson is the difference between losing and winning a playoff game?   It's not like I said CJ Anderson sucked or wouldn't help.  I'm just saying he isn't some game changer.  Ya'll acting like he is.  He's a dime a dozen back.

 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Mage said:

Dude, I literally compared Anderson to Stewart on the other page.  Stop trying that holier-than-thou crap with me.  I don't need to listen to analysts to form my own opinion on a player.  Clearly my evaluation of him is accurate if I can compare him to the player you need to listen to analysts to figure out.  But yeah, I haven't watched much of CJ Anderson.  Sorry I don't watch teh highlights like you.

And sure, we won a lot of games with Stewart.  We also won a lot of games with Remmers and Matt Kalil blocking for Cam.  So what?  How in the world does that prove CJ Anderson is the difference between losing and winning a playoff game? 

One of the better ways to form an opinion is to listen to people who know what they're talking about. Hence, why I pay attention to analysts. It doesn't prevent me from forming my own opinion. It just helps that opinion be better informed.

And given that we established you had  formed your opinion partially based on things that didn't actually happen, I wouldn't brag too much.

[Mage]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

One of the better ways to form an opinion is to listen to people who know what they're talking about. Hence, why I pay attention to analysts. It doesn't prevent me from forming my own opinion. It just helps that opinion be better informed.

And given that we established you had  formed your opinion partially based on things that didn't actually happen, I wouldn't brag too much.

I never said it didn't.  But you are trying to dismiss/insult my opinion just because you disagree when you probably haven't watched any more or less of Anderson than I have, so stop trying to act holier-than-thou.  

And I was wrong on remembering if CJ was released vs whether he was a free agent.  So what, I conceded that so nobody is "bragging too much".  It doesn't change my overall point; it's an overreaction to act as if losing CJ Anderson is likely to play a role in what happens this season.  You disagree, fine, whatever.  I was cool with agreeing to disagree, then you had to go and say some crap like "clearly you haven't watched CJ, not hard to watch highlights".

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, Mage said:

I never said it didn't.  But you are trying to dismiss/insult my opinion just because you disagree when you probably haven't watched any more or less of Anderson than I have, so stop trying to act holier-than-thou.  

And I was wrong on remembering if CJ was released vs whether he was a free agent.  So what, I conceded that so nobody is "bragging too much".  It doesn't change my overall point; it's an overreaction to act as if losing CJ Anderson is likely to play a role in what happens this season.  You disagree, fine, whatever.  I was cool with agreeing to disagree, then you had to go and say some crap like "clearly you haven't watched CJ, not hard to watch highlights".

It's not "holier than thou" to tell you I think you're wrong and explain why.

This was a bad move. It may come back to bite us. It may not. But if it doesn't hurt us, it'll be because we were lucky, not because we were smart. 

Either way, it's a huge (and completely unnecessary) gamble with our roster depth, which is just a flat out stupid thing to do when there's no discernible benefit.

This did not make us better in any way, shape or form. 

[1989]

There’s obviously more to this.

1. Wasn’t grasping the play book

2. Wasn’t practicing hard

3. Complaining about playing time.

4. Locker room cancer.

You don’t just not play great players. A lot of you guys look at everything at face value, jump to conclusions and just start whining.