Panthers WAIVE CJ Anderson

[Mage]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

If I were to add one more question, it would be this:

How is it that we decide to get rid of CJ Anderson while still holding onto Torrey Smith (at more than twice the salary) Amini Silatolu and Vernon Butler?

Roster management? Ouch.

I would answer saying you are reaching like hell and complaining just to complain.  
 

We clearly decide to do this because Anderson wasn't happy in the locker-room.  So why keep a back-up who isn't happy and doesn't really contribute to the team (unless McCaffrey gets hurt)?

[Toomers]

12 minutes ago, Mage said:

Dude... what?  I literally just said I wasn't supporting the move.  Why do I have to repeat that?  Nothing you are saying disproves that.

What I am saying is the move isn't deserving of this level of outrage.  It doesn't matter.

And how in the hell could anyone say we're worse after this?  Anderson plays like maybe 3 snaps a game.  The only way it would make us worse is under the hypothetical that McCaffrey somehow gets hurt for a long period of time (no reason to think this is likely), and at that point it doesn't matter: we're screwed no matter who fills-in.

So again.  I'm not saying the move was the right one.  But acting like its the end of the world?  Come on now.  This move doesn't matter.  If CJ Anderson wasn't as easily replaceable as you guys are making him out to be, I doubt the Panthers cut him out of the blue.  If CJ Anderson wasn't as easily replaceable, then the Broncos make an effort to bring him back instead of easily replacing him.  CJ Anderson is just a guy

I mean ya'll talk about how this team doesn't know what value to put on players but what player recently has left our team (that we reasonably could have kept or not let go, so Norwell doesn't really apply) and done well somewhere else?  It's just stuff ya'll make up.  Anderson is a dime a dozen.  It isn't a big deal. 

And you’re not understanding value that I’m speaking of. I don’t care what CJ does from here on out for any team. He was a solid 3-down option. And could pass block better than any RB we had. So now if CMC gets hurt,  we can go back to telegraphing our play by what RB is in the game. And paid extra for it. That’s the value. 

  Just like paying Torrey Smith 5M for this season knowing he was going to be a 4th/5th WR at some point. Cut him and resign him at 2M or let him walk. That’s 3M for nothing. And it’s where you get the money to make more important moves. 

  You can downplay CJs ability all you want. But they saw something when they signed him, and felt a need for him then as a backup. What changed? Did CMC become bionic overnight? 

[Mage]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

A lot of people care, and primarily for the reason that Anderson is a lot better runningback than you think he is. Barring some yet unknown revelation, he'll likely have a new team pretty quickly.

And if you actually think there's no difference between CJ Anderson and Cameron Artis-Payne, I can't help you. Suffice it to say that one of them has proven he can play in the NFL while the other is still waiting at the back of the line.

 

So tell me what makes CJ Anderson better.  If he is, according to you, a lot better than I think he is, it should be easy for you to list his skills that he's good at.  What does he add that CAP doesn't add (if only marginally less)?  There is no reason to think CAP couldn't average around 4 YPC (which is Anderson's average the last 3 years) with Cam and the offensive line's run blocking.  That is what he's averaged about when given carries.

And it isn't just me, apparently.  Again, the Broncos preferred to replace him with a UDFA than bring him back on a cheap contract.  He had 0 interest from any of these RB-deprived teams that have been mentioned as a 26 year old.  So are teams blinded by how good he is too then?  

He's a limited RB who can't give you big plays.  Ya'll are overhyping the hell out of him.

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, Mage said:

I would answer saying you are reaching like hell and complaining just to complain.  
 

We clearly decide to do this because Anderson wasn't happy in the locker-room.  So why keep a back-up who isn't happy and doesn't really contribute to the team (unless McCaffrey gets hurt)?

For the same reason you have backups at any position.

Nobody's "happy" being a backup, but you have them for a reason. Football is a sport where people get hurt...a lot. And runningbacks have one of the highest injury rates.

There is a reason why a game that only features 22 players still has 53 guys on a roster (plus a practice squad).

[Mage]

4 minutes ago, Toomers said:

And you’re not understanding value that I’m speaking of. I don’t care what CJ does from here on out for any team. He was a solid 3-down option. And could pass block better than any RB we had. So now if CMC gets hurt,  we can go back to telegraphing our play by what RB is in the game. And paid extra for it. That’s the value. 

  Just like paying Torrey Smith 5M for this season knowing he was going to be a 4th/5th WR at some point. Cut him and resign him at 2M or let him walk. That’s 3M for nothing. And it’s where you get the money to make more important moves. 

  You can downplay CJs ability all you want. But they saw something when they signed him, and felt a need for him then as a backup. What changed? Did CMC become bionic overnight? 

Anderson is not a solid 3-down option.  I mean if that was the case he would have had a hell of a lot more interest in free agency, even ignoring the eye test.

[Toomers]

7 minutes ago, Mage said:

I never suggested depth didn't matter.  But we're not talking about a back-up QB, and trying to compare the potential Anderson could have on this team to a quarterback is a stretch.  Foles is inconsistent, but he is as good of a back-up as you are going to get.  What Anderson provides to a team is far more replaceable.  It's why the Broncos didn't bring him back.  It's why he had 0 interest on the market.  It's why the Panthers got him for cheap and then proceeded to not hesitate to release him

I'm interested.  If McCaffrey went down, what would Anderson provide for this team that CAP couldn't/doesn't?  Everyone keeps pointing to his 1,000 yard season but it wasn't that impressive.  He barely eclipsed that figure at 4.1 YPC while offering nothing in the way of big plays (long run of 25); the Broncos new RB is out-producing that by a long shot.  CAP offers the same skill-set; an average or so runner who will produce if the blocking is decent, hence a "dime a dozen" back.  

And that is all I am saying.  I'm not suggesting depth doesn't matter.  I'm not saying I agree with this move.  I'm saying it isn't a big deal.  Anderson isn't anything unique as a RB.  He's probably better than CAP, but the difference is ultimately so negligible that you guys are overreacting to this.  It won't matter.  It won't make a difference.  Like really who cares?

 As has been addressed many times, CJ is a very good pass blocker and has good hands. CAP does neither well. So teams know what we are more likely to do with him in the game. And to have the combo, we would have to carry both on game day instead of just CJ. Meaning we lose a spot somewhere else. 

 

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, Mage said:

Anderson is not a solid 3-down option.  I mean if that was the case he would have had a hell of a lot more interest in free agency, even ignoring the eye test.

He’s an average to above average runner.

Average to above average receiver for a RB

And excellent pass blocker. 

What about that isn’t solid? We aren’t talking about a starter. But as backups go, I’ll take him anyway. Especially over a combo that costs more and are both limited. 

[Mage]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

For the same reason you have backups at any position.

Nobody's "happy" being a backup, but you have them for a reason. Football is a sport where people get hurt...a lot. And runningbacks have one of the highest injury rates.

There is a reason why a game that only features 22 players still has 53 guys on a roster (plus a practice squad).

BS.  There is definitely a difference between wanting to start and actively not wanting to be on the team because you aren't starting, and you know this.  It is far more likely Anderson was in the latter.  

And again.  Ya'll keep saying these things like I'm saying I support the move.  How many more times do I gotta say I don't?  I know what the hell depth is, so you don't need to explain it to me.  My point has ALWAYS been that the level of reaction to this move is ludicrous.  It's a whatever move.  Ya'll do this all the time with players.  Losing CJ Anderson is very unlikely to make one iota of a difference.  You can disagree with the move without overreacting to it or using it as an excuse to bash how the Panthers manage the roster.  The fact is nobody ever seems to take accountable for things they were wrong on.  This site non-stop last year was saying "Rivera doesn't know what he's doing not playing Captain more" and now its "Rivera doesn't know what he is doing playing Captain so much."

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, Mage said:

So tell me what makes CJ Anderson better.  If he is, according to you, a lot better than I think he is, it should be easy for you to list his skills that he's good at.  What does he add that CAP doesn't add (if only marginally less)?  There is no reason to think CAP couldn't average around 4 YPC (which is Anderson's average the last 3 years) with Cam and the offensive line's run blocking.  That is what he's averaged about when given carries.

And it isn't just me, apparently.  Again, the Broncos preferred to replace him with a UDFA than bring him back on a cheap contract.  He had 0 interest from any of these RB-deprived teams that have been mentioned as a 26 year old.  So are teams blinded by how good he is too then?  

He's a limited RB who can't give you big plays.  Ya'll are overhyping the hell out of him.

Did CAP get a thousand yards rushing on an offense that was led by Trevor Siemian at quarterback last year?

Was CAP the leading rusher (including a rushing TD) on a Super Bowl team that beat us back in February 2016?

Does CAP have a Pro Bowl on his resume'?

Unless you can answer yes to those and other questions, then yes there's a  bit of a difference between those two players.

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, Mage said:

BS.  There is definitely a difference between wanting to start and actively not wanting to be on the team because you aren't starting, and you know this.  It is far more likely Anderson was in the latter.  

And again.  Ya'll keep saying these things like I'm saying I support the move.  How many more times do I gotta say I don't?  I know what the hell depth is, so you don't need to explain it to me.  My point has ALWAYS been that the level of reaction to this move is ludicrous.  It's a whatever move.  Ya'll do this all the time with players.  Losing CJ Anderson is very unlikely to make one iota of a difference.  You can disagree with the move without overreacting to it or using it as an excuse to bash how the Panthers manage the roster.  The fact is nobody ever seems to take accountable for things they were wrong on.  This site non-stop last year was saying "Rivera doesn't know what he's doing not playing Captain more" and now its "Rivera doesn't know what he is doing playing Captain so much."

 Now you talking about a different issue. If CJ wanted out, there is no issue. I would understand from both sides why they moved on. And said so in this thread. We are going by him and others saying he didn’t force a move. That changes everything. 

[Mage]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Did CAP get a thousand yards rushing on an offense that was led by Trevor Siemian last year?

Was CAP the leading rusher (including a rushing TD) on a Super Bowl team that beat us back in February 2016?

Does CAP have a Pro Bowl on his resume'?

Unless you can answer yes to those and other questions, then yes there's a difference between those two players.

Lmao, to no surprise you couldn't even list a single CJ Anderson attribute.  Just BS things like "who started against Panthers in Super Bowl in a game their defense won".  By your logic, I guess Tarik Cohen isn't better than CJ Anderson either.

Lets say that his 1 1,000 yard season in 5 years with the Broncos is supposed to change my mind that he's some diamond in the rough.  Why didn't the Broncos bring him back when $ wasn't high?  Why did he not sign with a team until May, despite only being 26 years old?

There is a difference between CJ and CAP, but it is negligible.  Unless you think CAP would be a sub-4.0 runner here, then what is the difference?  CJ is a 4.0 kind of RB.  He doesn't give you big plays.  This idea he's some solid, all-around RB is hilarious to me.

[Mage]

I mean honestly.  Do ya'll REALLY think going from Cameron Artis-Payne to CJ Anderson is the difference in winning a playoff game?

Come on now.  I'm not even saying CAP is better or anything like that.  But CJ ain't that good.  He's not making that much of a difference.  In all likelihood Cam Newton would have the most rushing yards anyway. 

[Toomers]

8 minutes ago, Mage said:

Lmao, to no surprise you couldn't even list a single CJ Anderson attribute.  Just BS things like "who started against Panthers in Super Bowl in a game their defense won".  By your logic, I guess Tarik Cohen isn't better than CJ Anderson either.

Lets say that his 1 1,000 yard season in 5 years with the Broncos is supposed to change my mind that he's some diamond in the rough.  Why didn't the Broncos bring him back when $ wasn't high?  Why did he not sign with a team until May, despite only being 26 years old?

There is a difference between CJ and CAP, but it is negligible.  Unless you think CAP would be a sub-4.0 runner here, then what is the difference?  CJ is a 4.0 kind of RB.  He doesn't give you big plays.  This idea he's some solid, all-around RB is hilarious to me.

Probably hilarious because you “white noised” my statements which were direct statements about his attributes against what we are left with. And why it limits us. But just keep ignoring it. 

[Mr. Scot]

14 minutes ago, Mage said:

Lmao, to no surprise you couldn't even list a single CJ Anderson attribute.  Just BS things like "who started against Panthers in Super Bowl in a game their defense won".  By your logic, I guess Tarik Cohen isn't better than CJ Anderson either.

Lets say that his 1 1,000 yard season in 5 years with the Broncos is supposed to change my mind that he's some diamond in the rough.  Why didn't the Broncos bring him back when $ wasn't high?  Why did he not sign with a team until May, despite only being 26 years old?

There is a difference between CJ and CAP, but it is negligible.  Unless you think CAP would be a sub-4.0 runner here, then what is the difference?  CJ is a 4.0 kind of RB.  He doesn't give you big plays.  This idea he's some solid, all-around RB is hilarious to me.

Actually I listed three things about him, and there are more. Toomers did as well. You choosing not to listen to them doesn't actually invalidate them at all.

Maybe it'll help if these guys explain it.

How CJ Anderson helps the Panthers

You might take note of their mention of Broncos runningbacks that have thousand-yard seasons to their credit (that other one was kinda good).

Also mentioned in the clip: Anderson is quite adept at pass blocking. This past game, we tried to use Christian McCaffrey as a pass blocker. Didn't go so well.

I'd add their discussion of his football IQ doesn't exactly support Rayzors theory that maybe he didn't know the offense. Worth noting here that under Kubiak, the Broncos ran a West Coast attack. West Coast terminology is generally considered to be among the most complex in the league.