Panthers WAIVE CJ Anderson

[Car123]

14 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Anderson has no history of attitude or locker room issues. Just the opposite, actually. He's always been a model citizen and a hard worker, as demonstrated by his whole "long sleeves in Summer" thing.

Looking back at his signing, it came after the Broncos released him for cap reasons. Then he had an hour long conversation with Jonathan Stewart by phone that helped cement his decision to come here.

Sure as heck didn't see this coming back then.

We'll know in the upcoming days.

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, Car123 said:

We'll know in the upcoming days.

I wouldn't put money on the team saying anymore than they already have, which basically consists of "we didn't need him" and "he wasn't happy" (neither of which are exactly compelling arguments).

It'd take something pretty crazy to justify this, and nothing we've seen so far is pointing in that direction.

Within the next few days, I expect the only really big news about him will be where he signs.

[Mage]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Being screwed if Luke Kuechly goes down isn't an argument in favor of cutting David Mayo.

CJ Anderson has been a productive back in this league and was quality depth. There was zero incentive to let him go.

And I agree (unless he was hurting the locker-room), but there is a difference between saying it wasn't the right move and acting like it is a huge deal.  I wouldn't call it a terrible move because I don't feel strongly about it and I'm not sure why people do.  It wasn't like he was a key back-up on the offensive line or something.  He was just a back-up RB who couldn't contribute on special teams or as a receiver.  It's not a big deal.

And I'm not saying us being screwed w/o Kuechly means it would be okay to cut Mayo.  My point is using "what if CMC?" could be said about any star player on any team.  There is no reason to think CMC is at some large risk to get hurt this season, so I don't know why people are hanging their hat on that.  Losing Anderson doesn't really matter.  He's nothing special.

 

So yeah, disagree with the move.  But I'm more-so referring to the people overreacting to the move.  It ain't that big of a deal.

[Toomers]

 How is a move that costs the team MORE money supposed to help with an extension or anything else cap wise. We have to pay the rest of his salary for this year, plus pay Cadet for rest of year. So that theory doesn’t fly. 

  CJs value is being a capable 3 down back. CAP and Cadet will both play if CMC gets hurt, basically telling teams what we’re doing before the snap. 

  So we spent more money to get worse. 

And it was reported by this very site owner that it was off-field but nothing else. Would sure like to hear some follow up on that statement. 

[Toomers]

4 minutes ago, Mage said:

And I agree (unless he was hurting the locker-room), but there is a difference between saying it wasn't the right move and acting like it is a huge deal.  I wouldn't call it a terrible move because I don't feel strongly about it and I'm not sure why people do.  It wasn't like he was a key back-up on the offensive line or something.  He was just a back-up RB who couldn't contribute on special teams or as a receiver.  It's not a big deal.

And I'm not saying us being screwed w/o Kuechly means it would be okay to cut Mayo.  My point is using "what if CMC?" could be said about any star player on any team.  There is no reason to think CMC is at some large risk to get hurt this season, so I don't know why people are hanging their hat on that.  Losing Anderson doesn't really matter.  He's nothing special.

 

So yeah, disagree with the move.  But I'm more-so referring to the people overreacting to the move.  It ain't that big of a deal.

 It’s a move that makes absolutely no sense. That’s a huge issue. What purpose is there to spend money to downgrade a position at this time of year? It’s a sign of not understanding roster building or player value. Something that has been a problem under this GM/coach before. 

  That’s the issue. 

[Mage]

12 minutes ago, Toomers said:

 It’s a move that makes absolutely no sense. That’s a huge issue. What purpose is there to spend money to downgrade a position at this time of year? It’s a sign of not understanding roster building or player value. Something that has been a problem under this GM/coach before. 

  That’s the issue. 

Why though?  Because C-Mac "might" get hurt?  That is the only reason people are putting.

Anderson didn't play.  He didn't contribute on special teams.  He didn't contribute in the passing game.  Please explain to me what value he had other than on the chance McCaffrey might get hurt?  If he was unhappy, and by all accounts that appears to be the case, what does the team gain from keeping him other than bad vibes?

It's okay to disagree with the move.  I'm just confused by why people are this upset.  When I heard about it, I was just like "meh".  Whatever.  It isn't a big deal.  CJ Anderson is not the difference between us winning or losing a playoff game.  If C-Mac gets hurt, we're probably not gonna win in the playoffs no matter what unless Cam goes off.  CJ ain't making that big of a difference.  People are overreacting to a move that, in the grand scheme of things, probably won't matter.

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, Mage said:

Why though?  Because C-Mac "might" get hurt?  That is the only reason people are putting.

Anderson didn't play.  He didn't contribute on special teams.  He didn't contribute in the passing game.  Please explain to me what value he had other than on the chance McCaffrey might get hurt?  If he was unhappy, and by all accounts that appears to be the case, what does the team gain from keeping him other than bad vibes?

It's okay to disagree with the move.  I'm just confused by why people are this upset.  When I heard about it, I was just like "meh".  Whatever.  It isn't a big deal.  CJ Anderson is not the difference between us winning or losing a playoff game.  If C-Mac gets hurt, we're probably not gonna win in the playoffs no matter what unless Cam goes off.  CJ ain't making that big of a difference.

 Because the backup to the most likely to be injured position on the field is a big deal. You act like losing a RB that plays 95% of the snaps, and replacing him with a pair of limited RBs wouldn’t be crippling to this offense. 

  And we are spending extra money to do this. Not saving any. So where is the logic behind any of this. And who is making decisions like this? That’s the problem. You have no issues with a GM and/or HC that make moves like this? 

  

[Mage]

7 minutes ago, Toomers said:

 Because the backup to the most likely to be injured position on the field is a big deal. You act like losing a RB that plays 95% of the snaps, and replacing him with a pair of limited RBs wouldn’t be crippling to this offense. 

  And we are spending extra money to do this. Not saving any. So where is the logic behind any of this. And who is making decisions like this? That’s the problem. You have no issues with a GM and/or HC that make moves like this? 

  

Dude, Anderson isn't replacing McCaffrey lol.  That is my point.  There is no RB who could replace what McCaffrey does.  Anderson is merely an average runner who got the full-load of carries in Denver and guess what?  The team didn't bother bringing him back on a cheap deal.  Look what Lindsay is doing behind that same offensive line; drastically out-performing what Anderson did.  When people speak of those "dime a dozen" backs, they are talking about CJ Anderson (or Peyton Hillis).  He's a dime a dozen.  A pure 100% runner who doesn't give you anything outside of that, which is kinda needed in today's spread NFL.

And I never said I was okay with the move.  My point is the level of outrage towards this move is hilarious and quite frankly an enormous overreaction.  He isn't that good.  That is my point.  It's a "bad move" in the same way if we were to release Tyler Heinicke is a "bad move".  Sucks we got rid of our back-up since training camp... but who cares?  CJ Anderson isn't making the difference between the Panthers having success in the playoffs vs not having success in the playoffs.  And the fact that the only point you can bring up is "well CMC might get hurt" proves it.  Anderson adds no value to the team other than as a starting RB if McCaffrey just so happens to have an injury that takes him out long-term, and guys Anderson is just a 4.1 YPC.  He couldn't even come close to adding what CMC does as a runner, much less a receiver, so lets stop acting like Anderson would somehow win us a game we wouldn't otherwise.  There is no reason to think McCaffrey might get hurt any more than Cam Newton or Donte Jackson might get hurt; it isn't like he's some 30-year old RB.

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, Mage said:

Dude, Anderson isn't replacing McCaffrey lol.  That is my point.  There is no RB who could replace what McCaffrey does.  Anderson is merely an average runner who got the full-load of carries in Denver and guess what?  The team didn't bother bringing him back on a cheap deal.  Look what Lindsay is doing behind that same offensive line; drastically out-performing what Anderson did.

And I never said I was okay with the move.  My point is the level of outrage towards this move is hilarious and quite frankly an enormous overreaction.  He isn't that good.  That is my point.  It's a "bad move" in the same way if we were to release Tyler Heinicke is a "bad move".  Sucks we got rid of our back-up since training camp... but who cares?  CJ Anderson isn't making the difference between the Panthers having success in the playoffs vs not having success in the playoffs.  And the fact that the only point you can bring up is "well CMC might get hurt" proves it.  Anderson adds no value to the team other than as a starting RB if McCaffrey just so happens to have an injury that takes him out long-term, and guys Anderson is just a 4.1 YPC.  He couldn't even come close to adding what CMC does as a runner, much less a receiver, so lets stop acting like Anderson would somehow win us a game we wouldn't otherwise.  There is no reason to think McCaffrey might get hurt any more than Cam Newton or Donte Jackson might get hurt; it isn't like he's some 30-year old RB.

Is the team better or worse, overall, after this move? 

Did we spend money to accomplish this? 

See. This would be like picking up Josh McCown as a backup QB for 1.7M for this year. Then cutting him(and paying him) our of the blue and going(and paying) with Joe Webb/Taylor H. as your backup. Sure, it may not matter. But then why sign him in the first place? If it doesn’t matter. 

  

[Mage]

36 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Is the team better or worse, overall, after this move? 

Did we spend money to accomplish this? 

See. This would be like picking up Josh McCown as a backup QB for 1.7M for this year. Then cutting him(and paying him) our of the blue and going(and paying) with Joe Webb/Taylor H. as your backup. Sure, it may not matter. But then why sign him in the first place? If it doesn’t matter. 

  

Dude... what?  I literally just said I wasn't supporting the move.  Why do I have to repeat that?  Nothing you are saying disproves that.

What I am saying is the move isn't deserving of this level of outrage.  It doesn't matter.

And how in the hell could anyone say we're worse after this?  Anderson plays like maybe 3 snaps a game.  The only way it would make us worse is under the hypothetical that McCaffrey somehow gets hurt for a long period of time (no reason to think this is likely), and at that point it doesn't matter: we're screwed no matter who fills-in.

So again.  I'm not saying the move was the right one.  But acting like its the end of the world?  Come on now.  This move doesn't matter.  If CJ Anderson wasn't as easily replaceable as you guys are making him out to be, I doubt the Panthers cut him out of the blue.  If CJ Anderson wasn't as easily replaceable, then the Broncos make an effort to bring him back instead of easily replacing him.  CJ Anderson is just a guy

I mean ya'll talk about how this team doesn't know what value to put on players but what player recently has left our team (that we reasonably could have kept or not let go, so Norwell doesn't really apply) and done well somewhere else?  It's just stuff ya'll make up.  Anderson is a dime a dozen.  It isn't a big deal. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Mage said:

Dude... what?  I literally just said I wasn't supporting the move.  Why do I have to repeat that?  Nothing you are saying disproves that.

What I am saying is the move isn't deserving of this level of outrage.  It doesn't matter.

And how in the hell could anyone say we're worse after this?  Anderson plays like maybe 3 snaps a game.  The only way it would make us worse is under the hypothetical that McCaffrey somehow gets hurt for a long period of time (no reason to think this is likely), and at that point it doesn't matter: we're screwed no matter who fills-in.

So again.  I'm not saying the move was the right one.  But acting like its the end of the world?  Come on now.  This move doesn't matter.

 

Depth matters...always. If it didn't, then we'd just stack every backup slot with the cheapest, lousiest players we could find and roll into the season praying that nobody gets hurt.

I'm sure the Eagles could very easily have tried that philosophy last year. Heck, what was the point of having Nick Foles on the roster if you were screwed once Carson Wentz got injured anyway?

Right? 

[Mage]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Depth matters...always. If it didn't, then we'd just stack every backup slot with the cheapest, lousiest players we could find and roll into the season praying that nobody gets hurt.

I'm sure the Eagles could very easily have tried that philosophy last year. Heck, what was the point of having Nick Foles on the roster if you were screwed once Carson Wentz got injured anyway?

Right? 

I never suggested depth didn't matter.  But we're not talking about a back-up QB, and trying to compare the potential Anderson could have on this team to a quarterback is a stretch.  Foles is inconsistent, but he is as good of a back-up as you are going to get.  What Anderson provides to a team is far more replaceable.  It's why the Broncos didn't bring him back.  It's why he had 0 interest on the market.  It's why the Panthers got him for cheap and then proceeded to not hesitate to release him

I'm interested.  If McCaffrey went down, what would Anderson provide for this team that CAP couldn't/doesn't?  Everyone keeps pointing to his 1,000 yard season but it wasn't that impressive.  He barely eclipsed that figure at 4.1 YPC while offering nothing in the way of big plays (long run of 25); the Broncos new RB is out-producing that by a long shot.  CAP offers the same skill-set; an average or so runner who will produce if the blocking is decent, hence a "dime a dozen" back.  

And that is all I am saying.  I'm not suggesting depth doesn't matter.  I'm not saying I agree with this move.  I'm saying it isn't a big deal.  Anderson isn't anything unique as a RB.  He's probably better than CAP, but the difference is ultimately so negligible that you guys are overreacting to this.  It won't matter.  It won't make a difference.  Like really who cares?

[Mr. Scot]

If I were to add one more question, it would be this:

How is it that we decide to get rid of CJ Anderson while still holding onto Torrey Smith (at more than twice the salary) Amini Silatolu and Vernon Butler?

Roster management? Ouch.

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, Mage said:

I never suggested depth didn't matter.  But we're not talking about a back-up QB, and trying to compare the potential Anderson could have on this team to a quarterback is a stretch.  Foles is inconsistent, but he is as good of a back-up as you are going to get.  What Anderson provides to a team is far more replaceable.  It's why the Broncos didn't bring him back.  It's why he had 0 interest on the market.  It's why the Panthers got him for cheap and then proceeded to not hesitate to release him

I'm interested.  If McCaffrey went down, what would Anderson provide for this team that CAP couldn't/doesn't?  Everyone keeps pointing to his 1,000 yard season but it wasn't that impressive.  He barely eclipsed that figure at 4.1 YPC while offering nothing in the way of big plays (long run of 25); the Broncos new RB is out-producing that by a long shot.  CAP offers the same skill-set; an average or so runner who will produce if the blocking is decent, hence a "dime a dozen" back.  

And that is all I am saying.  I'm not suggesting depth doesn't matter.  I'm not saying I agree with this move.  I'm saying it isn't a big deal.  Anderson isn't anything unique as a RB.  He's probably better than CAP, but the difference is ultimately so negligible that you guys are overreacting to this.  It won't matter.  It won't make a difference.  Like really who cares?

A lot of people care, and primarily for the reason that Anderson is a lot better runningback than you think he is. Barring some yet unknown revelation, he'll likely have a new team pretty quickly.

And if you actually think there's no difference between CJ Anderson and Cameron Artis-Payne, I can't help you. Suffice it to say that one of them has proven he can play in the NFL while the other is still waiting at the back of the line.