Bruce Irvin could realistically happen

[Palmetto]

2 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

There are better sack guys...but none of them were as used in coverage like Peppers was in his career...and none of them had the impact that Pep has had blocking kicks. If you go strictly by sack number he isnt. If you factor in being a complete player...hes the best.

No football guy is going to agree with you

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

There are better sack guys...but none of them were as used in coverage like Peppers was in his career...and none of them had the impact that Pep has had blocking kicks. If you go strictly by sack number he isnt. If you factor in being a complete player...hes the best.

To be fair, using linemen in coverage is kind of scheme specific to the zone blitz. Doesn't happen much in other defenses.

Neither White nor Smith ever played in that scheme, but I'd be willing to bet that both were athletic enough to do it if they've been called upon in that capacity.

[Palmetto]

2 hours ago, Nails said:

In 2014 the Seahawks were the only thing standing between this team and the ring.  Are you saying the $13+ million couldn’t have been spent on other assets or the Kraken himself wouldn’t have affected Russell Wilson’s 8-8 on 3rd down performance in Seattle?

In every year since, including this one, the team win total would have increased with this man playing on a team friendly deal, which he inevitably would be if not for the Rice video. 

 

[becker4prez]

Surprised at the number of people commenting that Irvin wouldn't fit here or they shouldn't go after him because the DL is starting to gel. A lot of the sacks and pressures the Panthers are getting are not coming from a 4 man rush. One of Addison's sacks was a perfect example where they sent Donte Jackson on a CB blitz where he busted the play and Mario finished it off. 

You can never have enough edge rushers in today's NFL and teams like the Saints and Rams have elite OLs + weapons. You don't want to have to consistently rely on blitzes to create pressures against.

I'm also a believer less is more with Peppers at this stage in his career. I think they've had to lean too heavy on him post bye week and it's why we aren't seeing the same impact of last year. Adding Irvin would help take some of that load off Peppers and in turn I think you'd see a more production from him.

It also royally sucks that Dontari Poe has been a flop through 8 games. 

[TheMaulClaw]

5 minutes ago, Palmetto said:

No football guy is going to agree with you

Doesn't offend me, however I bet that isn't true.  I'm sure you've watched Peppers his entire career like I have.  You should know how fundamentally excellent Pep is as a DE.  He's one of the best I've ever seen at knowing how to impact a play that isn't coming his way.  The guy knows how to position his body so what may look like a 7 or 8 yard rush only becomes a 5 yard rush because Pep took a lane away from a RB downfield.  In his first 8 years as a pro it was incredible how he was able to chase down plays on the other side of the field.  John Fox used to drop him in to coverage and he's picked off quick outs.  He doesn't get hurt, and he's played at such a high level for so long.  It's like two hall of fame players that have consecutive careers at the same position.  

I won't argue that Reggie White was a better sack artist as was Bruce Smith (the only 2 DEs ahead of him on the sack list)...but when you consider overall impact....sacks (4th all time), tackles, turning runs inside, batted passes, playing the screen, blocked kicks, reading plays, switching positions and sides of the ball, and on and on and on.   Who's been better?

And no offense to the DEs of the 70s...if Pep played back then....this wouldn't even be a debate.

 

[Palmetto]

2 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

Doesn't offend me, however I bet that isn't true.  I'm sure you've watched Peppers his entire career like I have.  You should know how fundamentally excellent Pep is as a DE.  He's one of the best I've ever seen at knowing how to impact a play that isn't coming his way.  The guy knows how to position his body so what may look like a 7 or 8 yard rush only becomes a 5 yard rush because Pep took a lane away from a RB downfield.  In his first 8 years as a pro it was incredible how he was able to chase down plays on the other side of the field.  John Fox used to drop him in to coverage and he's picked off quick outs.  He doesn't get hurt, and he's played at such a high level for so long.  It's like two hall of fame players that have consecutive careers at the same position.  

I won't argue that Reggie White was a better sack artist as was Bruce Smith (the only 2 DEs ahead of him on the sack list)...but when you consider overall impact....sacks (4th all time), tackles, turning runs inside, batted passes, playing the screen, blocked kicks, reading plays, switching positions and sides of the ball, and on and on and on.   Who's been better?

And no offense to the DEs of the 70s...if Pep played back then....this wouldn't even be a debate.

 

If peppers was still playing for the Bears or Packers your opinion wouldn't exist

[TheMaulClaw]

18 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

To be fair, using linemen in coverage is kind of scheme specific to the zone blitz. Doesn't happen much in other defenses.

Neither White nor Smith ever played in that scheme, but I'd be willing to bet that both were athletic enough to do it if they've been called upon in that capacity.

Mr. Scot...do you really think White and Smith were as athletic as Peppers?  I'm a Gamecock fan...but you think they could have played for Tarheel basketball and put up numbers the way he did on the court?  Pep could have chosen the NBA.

[TheMaulClaw]

8 minutes ago, Palmetto said:

If peppers was still playing for the Bears or Packers your opinion wouldn't exist

Nah man....if you don't think Pep was a generational (well multi generational actually) athlete that's your opinion and that's cool...but there's a reason teams have been trying to find a Peppers clone at the top of the draft ever since he came into the league.  

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

Mr. Scot...do you really think White and Smith were as athletic as Peppers?  I'm a Gamecock fan...but you think they could have played for Tarheel basketball and put up numbers the way he did on the court?  Pep could have chosen the NBA.

As athletic? Probably not, but more consistent and overall better as football players.

And again to be fair, coverage responsibility for a DE in a zone blitz is primarily just manning a spot. It's not like we're sending Peppers to cover Antonio Brown on a skinny post.

White and Smith could have handled that. I'd be less certain of a guy like Deacon Jones though.

[electro's horse]

 

Get his black ass in Carolina, Hurney

[Immortal]

another sub par over paid dude.

his film is awful. no hustle.

 

he was good in 1982. Go big or go home. Clowney or eat ass

[Proudiddy]

2 hours ago, Immortal said:

another sub par over paid dude.

his film is awful. no hustle.

 

he was good in 1982. Go big or go home. Clowney or eat ass

Clowney cant help us this season.  Irvin can.

I'd love to bring Clowney in when that time comes, but we need some help now...  and Irvin should come cheap.

[Bartin]

Is he big enough to play 4-3 DE? Really hard to fit him in our defense as a LB. In passing situations we need 3 CBs on the field so we will have 2 LBs and those 2 LBs will always be Luke and TD.

[App Panther]

Let Bruce-Bruce hit it.