Ron Rivera blew all three timeouts on a single point-less drive in a fourth quarter one-score game against a divisional rival

[Carl Spackler]

7 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

Explain to me the conservative calls on those drives that you are claiming were "conservative."

Yesterday someone in the primary thread on the game did a breakdown of those "conservative" plays.... and they were all passes... two of them were actually deep routes that ended in sacks.

Just bc a fail plays, doesn't mean it is conservative. TBH the only conservative play we had was at the kneel after the 2 minute warning.  We even passed the ball with 3:30 left in the game on a third down.

Don't let the truth get in the way of a Huddle narrative

[thefuzz]

Ron doesn't call the defensive plays, and still can't manage the clock.  At least Andy Reid has an excuse.

 

I want you guys to just think about this for a moment.  We were at home, and were still struggling with the decision to challenge the play, get lined up in time, get the play calls in on time, break the huddle on time, and get to the line and get the ball snapped on time.

What happens when we will almost with 100% certainty have to go play in that damn dome in the playoffs?  Hell, in the final weeks of the season with seeding on the line?

Cam obviously doesn't like to hurry up after a run by him.  Fine.  Then have a play call ready to go where you don't have to huddle.  A busted run to CMC up the middle for 0 is better than wasting a time out, or having to take a delay of game penalty.

I don't see many other teams having this issue at home, and none that have veteran players like Olsen, Kalil, and Cam on their rosters.

[PntherPryd]

1 hour ago, t96 said:

Cam called two of those TOs. Blame Norv if you want but the only one on Rivera was the stupid challenge.

The only way it was a stupid challenge is if you think it would have been better to take the penalty.  They were already going to have to either call their last time out or take the penalty iirc.  If they took the (last) TO they would have been out of challenges anyway.

The team talks all the time about coming out with a killer instinct and putting opponents away, they just can't pull it off.

 

[TheCasillas]

5 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

I want you guys to just think about this for a moment.  We were at home, and were still struggling with the decision to challenge the play, get lined up in time, get the play calls in on time, break the huddle on time, and get to the line and get the ball snapped on time.

None of these were the reason why we burned 3 time outs..... Both Samuel and Moore were lined up incorrectly (2 separate plays) so Cam had to burn multiple time outs. Hence the "paddle" comment Cam made in the press conference.

If you look back we were lined up on the LOS with 7-9 seconds on the play clock. Cam just realized they were out of position a little late.

The young receivers will learn, and thankfully this didn't cost us anything but a few wasted seconds to read posts that are incorrect on our team message board.

[raleigh-panther]

lol. You guys kill me

even Thomas Davis in his post game interview said the defense.let up  

With your eyes in the third you had to see the offense go away from misdirection, which was working, to more conservative offensive play calling which was not working   You did see it right?  You saw the defense let them march down the field before the half, right?   You saw the Bucs almost execute  at will?  

call it lack of execution.  Call it going conservative.  Call it bad luck. Call it anything you want but with a lead it happens the large majority of the time on Rivera’s watch  phillyB is correct 

if this team wants to beat the Saints, the Falcons, the Rams, the elites, then they best be finding a killer instinct on the coaching staff and the players 

you think the Saints and Falcons don’t get this tendency?   Come on.

i want a Super Bowl for this team.  There is a reason the Pats have won five super bowls and it isn’t just Tom Brady. 

[Harbingers]

@PhillyB

as I said yesterday. The main reason he threw the challenge flag was because of the 3 people that hit cam and it wasn’t called while cam was sliding, including a obviously late hit.

The first timeout was due to play design, and lack of first step by our guys. The motion wasn’t even completed.

The second was on Cam 100% he was still calling out adjustments, when he looked up he realized he didn’t have enough time. I believe the play clock was to 4. So it’s debatable, if he just didn’t like the look or knew he couldn’t finish the adjustments. 

[CatTower]

We scored 35 points in 1 half.  If our guys want to slow it down in the 3rd, then let them.  You have got to be kidding me worrying about timeouts when your team just set a record half.

[Zaximus]

2 minutes ago, CatTower said:

We scored 35 points in 1 half.  If our guys want to slow it down in the 3rd, then let them.  You have got to be kidding me worrying about timeouts when your team just set a record half.

You worry about timeouts because this a team that cannot hold a lead to save their lives, and you know Ron will trot out in the second half with prevent defense and let them march down for touchdown after touchdown.    I bet 80% of us called this happening at half-time because it's Ron's MO.

[CatTower]

Just now, Zaximus said:

You worry about timeouts because this a team that cannot hold a lead to save their lives, and you know Ron will trot out in the second half with prevent defense and let them march down for touchdown after touchdown.    I bet 80% of us called this happening at half-time because it's Ron's MO.

Speaking of MO, momentum that is.  We were losing it.  Those 3 timeouts gave our guys time to settle down.  We had them squished, no reason to save for the 4th when the killer blow is about to happen.

[thefuzz]

8 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

None of these were the reason why we burned 3 time outs..... Both Samuel and Moore were lined up incorrectly (2 separate plays) so Cam had to burn multiple time outs. Hence the "paddle" comment Cam made in the press conference.

If you look back we were lined up on the LOS with 7-9 seconds on the play clock. Cam just realized they were out of position a little late.

The young receivers will learn, and thankfully this didn't cost us anything but a few wasted seconds to read posts that are incorrect on our team message board.

Is this the first time this has happened?  If so I'll retract my statement.

I'm not just referring to yesterday.  This team collects a lot of delay of game penalties, and burns timeouts in the some of the most head scratching ways that I have ever seen.

We are a veteran team, not a rebuild with Nate Peterman under center.  Urgency is not always in this teams dictionary.

[Zaximus]

Just now, CatTower said:

Speaking of MO, momentum that is.  We were losing it.  Those 3 timeouts gave our guys time to settle down.  We had them squished, no reason to save for the 4th when the killer blow is about to happen.

This isn't the NBA.    You save timeouts for two minute warnings.   You know, like the other good teams do when they have to make a drive to win the game.

[t96]

10 minutes ago, PntherPryd said:

The only way it was a stupid challenge is if you think it would have been better to take the penalty.  They were already going to have to either call their last time out or take the penalty iirc.  If they took the (last) TO they would have been out of challenges anyway.

The team talks all the time about coming out with a killer instinct and putting opponents away, they just can't pull it off.

 

Well it was a stupid challenge, it clearly was not a first down. OK use the timeout there rather than take the penalty, but don't waste the challenge, you never know when they might come in handy...

[PntherPryd]

2 minutes ago, t96 said:

Well it was a stupid challenge, it clearly was not a first down. OK use the timeout there rather than take the penalty, but don't waste the challenge, you never know when they might come in handy...

If you are out of timeouts you are out of challenges.  So why not challenge while using last time out?  That was my point.

[beastson]

We speed up the tempo and go no-huddle instead of playing the clock

We won't blow timeouts