CMC worth the pick?

[Cpt slay a ho]

Rb vaule is dying, just like safeties. At the time, again at the time, there was no reason to pass up lattimore etc for cmc. Just playing devils avocate 

[KaseKlosed]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

If you think McCaffrey is just a "runningback", you have no idea what you're talking about.

At this point, McCaffrey is the foundation of an awful lot of what we do on offense. And that's because Norv Turner knows what he's doing, knows what McCaffrey is capable of and knows how to use him.

This is basically like saying we'd have been better off drafting someone other than Newton because he's "just a quarterback".

You guys have a short memory. When we drafted him I said he will be the best slot WR for us. When we drafted him I said he was also a reach at number 8 with a loaded dual threat RB class. I understand his position in the offense however I still think we could of gotten another baller at 8 and a dual threat RB later in a loaded draft class. So no I do not think we got supreme value. Could of been even better draft wise in my opinion. I was not a fan of Dave Gettlemans draft strategies 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, KaseKlosed said:

You guys have a short memory. When we drafted him I said he will be the best slot WR for us. When we drafted him I said he was also a reach at number 8 with a loaded dual threat RB class. I understand his position in the offense however I still think we could of gotten another baller at 8 and a dual threat RB later in a loaded draft class. So no I do not think we got supreme value. Could of been even better draft wise in my opinion. I was not a fan of Dave Gettlemans draft strategies 

"Short memory" has nothing to do with it.

"Working eyes" and "football understanding" are what matter here.

Igo is right about his importance in our scheme, and for that McCaffrey was well worth the pick.

[Delhommey]

7 minutes ago, MechaZain said:

You can't compare Christian to the value of Deangelo Williams or Wes Welker when he's both. 

The problem with this line of thinking is James Conner and Alvin Kamara exist. 

[MechaZain]

If anyone had known Kamara and Connor would be this valuable they would have been drafted high too. Using them as the measure for where CMC should have been gone is like saying QBs shouldn't be drafted in the first since Brady was a sixth rounder.

[Delhommey]

You can believe that CMC is a great player for the Panthers and still not the best use of the 8th overall pick.

Another example of bad positional drafting was the Raiders taking Janikowski in the first round. Even though he stayed with the team forever and was a cornerstone, it was still a poor use of draft capital because they could have found the same level of kicker in later rounds.  

[TheRed]

CMC has been stepping up huge. He has earned his props. If he can consistently be a jack of all trades type of playmaker to take pressure off of Cam Newton so he can do what he does best, there are few limits to this offense when you add guys like Olsen, Samuel, Moore, Funchess, and Wright.

Nobody is going to give a poo where he was drafted if we keep this up for the rest of the season, and make a deep playoff run. Defense just has to keep holding up their end of the bargain.

All that being said, we need to decide what the hell we're doing with CJ Anderson once and for all. There's some strange tense dynamic going on there.

[Mr. Scot]

I could go back and examine the drafts of every Super Bowl champion for the last 20 years and find what would have been better choices or engineer the "perfect draft".

They won. Hence, nobody gives a s--t.

I've never seen a team have a perfect draft, not even among teams that are known to draft very well. As long as you pick guys that help you win, who cares where you got them?

[KaseKlosed]

26 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

"Short memory" has nothing to do with it.

"Working eyes" and "football understanding" are what matter here.

Igo is right about his importance in our scheme, and for that McCaffrey was well worth the pick.

We could of had a better draft. CMC is good. However ya'll hyping him up as if he is a probowler. He is not. 

[thefuzz]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

I could go back and examine the drafts of every Super Bowl champion for the last 20 years and find what would have been better choices or engineer the "perfect draft".

They won. Hence, nobody gives a s--t.

I've never seen a team have a perfect draft, not even among teams that are known to draft very well. As long as you pick guys that help you win, who cares where you got them?

Agreed.  The only time this really matters, is when you miss on a similar type player, who is drafted close to the same spot, or you pass up a position of need under the same situation.

Amini vs. Glenn immediately comes to mind, as does Treadwell and Shepard over Thomas.

Had Hunt or Kamara gone at number 15, or say 21...this could be a different story.  Sometimes talent is just missed.

 

[Mr. Scot]

11 minutes ago, KaseKlosed said:

We could of had a better draft. CMC is good. However ya'll hyping him up as if he is a probowler. He is not. 

Let me know when the NFL starts giving out trophies for the most pro bowlers, the best draft, the most effective free agency moves or the best overall trades.

When that time comes, maybe you'll have a leg to stand on. Till then, you don't.

Right now, the NFL only gives out one trophy a year. It goes to the team that has the best overall combination of talent / roster management, coaching, discipline, execution, and luck. The criteria for determining that team is pretty simple. It's the one that wins the Super Bowl. 

If we win it, you can feel free to come back and argue that we would have won it better with somebody other than McCaffrey. You'll look pretty stupid doing it, but that's your right.

If we don't win it, you can log on and say that every other factor was perfect, but we lost because we should have picked somebody other than McCaffrey. It'll still sound pretty stupid, but not as stupid as it would if we won.

For now, it's all pretty irrelevant.

[JARROD]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

If you think McCaffrey is just a "runningback", you have no idea what you're talking about.

At this point, McCaffrey is the foundation of an awful lot of what we do on offense. And that's because Norv Turner knows what he's doing, knows what McCaffrey is capable of and knows how to use him.

This is basically like saying we'd have been better off drafting someone other than Newton because he's "just a quarterback".

Awesome— that’s what I tried to say when I say we drafted a number 1 receiver and running back at 8,...

Dalvin Cook is not winning games for the Vikings, CMac is for us. Anyone could pick out games, probably many this year we don’t win without CMac.

 Kamara is worth every bit of his draft pick and is the only one on the list worth comparing. The dude is a badass and it’s criminal he went in the 3rd round but hey, stuff happens.

 

[JARROD]

1 hour ago, KaseKlosed said:

We could of had a better draft. CMC is good. However ya'll hyping him up as if he is a probowler. He is not. 

Most of the NFL still has set categories for players— receiver, corner, full back, running back etc.

when the categories change to match 2018 players that are slash do all’s, CMac is a pro bowler.

he doesn’t have 100 rushing every game and doesn’t have 100 receiving every game but is averaging at the top for total yards from scrimmage,.. total touches, yards per touch, etc.

theres some serious bias for him from you, maybe you hated his college team?

i don’t watch college football so I have zero bias, don’t play fantasy so I guess in leagues where they don’t have flex players he doesn’t fit? 

Some serious bias for sure.

[uncfan888]

5 minutes ago, JARROD said:

Most of the NFL still has set categories for players— receiver, corner, full back, running back etc.

when the categories change to match 2018 players that are slash do all’s, CMac is a pro bowler.

he doesn’t have 100 rushing every game and doesn’t have 100 receiving every game but is averaging at the top for total yards from scrimmage,.. total touches, yards per touch, etc.

theres some serious bias for him from you, maybe you hated his college team?

i don’t watch college football so I have zero bias, don’t play fantasy so I guess in leagues where they don’t have flex players he doesn’t fit? 

Some serious bias for sure.

Oh he definitely has a bias.. But it's not based on Christian going to stanford