Norv ~ Shula?

[Snake]

27 minutes ago, Udogg said:

OMFG..

Are you really saying tha Russell Shepard, Kaelin Clay, Brensin Bersin and Kelvin Benjamin were any any way shape or form comparable to this years roster!!!!!!

And you are saying other people need their eyes replaced and a brain transplant!!!!

 

oh and

Also Olsen was injured the first half of the year and was gimpy as fug until the playoffs. 

 

Norv is doing good work..but don't fugging pretent like last year we had talent oozing everywhere.. especially at the WR position. 

 

 

 

Yes that is exactly what I'm saying. 

Is it the amazing 81 yards that Curtis Samuel has in 8 games or the amazing 100 yards Wright has? Funchess seems to be doing less at 400 yards this year. Yeah the same amount KB had last year before he was traded. Wait what is that you say? We had two WRs over 400 yards last year? Crazy. I guess Norv just got lucky with all these WRs putting up 100 and 200 yards when Shula just had two WRs with over 400 yards before midseason. But there is more! Let's see what CMC has done. That's right he has as many yards this year as all of last year with a better ypc. But what do I know. I mean it couldn't have been Shula. 

[Peppers90 NC]

14 minutes ago, Snake said:

Easy snowflake, those comments were not meant specifically for you. Now that your ego is still intact do you have anything of substance to add? 

uhm you quoted me cupcake, cant imagine who else that comment was directed at when i called out your more than obvious BS. and substance, is that a word you just learned? because it has eluded you for years here.

[Snake]

1 minute ago, Peppers90 NC said:

uhm you quoted me cupcake, cant imagine who else that comment was directed at when i called out your more than obvious BS. and substance, is that a word you just learned? because it has eluded you for years here.

So what you are saying is you have absolutely nothing to add and no clue what you are talking about? Ok I figured. 

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

Until DJ Moore and Curtis Samuel become regulars on the field, it doesn't matter if our WR group is vastly better than last year.  Because what makes them better isn't getting snaps.

Are the schemes similar?  Definitely.  There are only so many ways you are going to scheme a Newton/CMC/Olsen lead offense.

That being said.  Its not the scheme difference (or lack thereof) which makes Norv better than Shula.  Its the play calling within that scheme.  Its finding ways to make perceived weaknesses (lets say our Oline going into the season) and getting people to shut up about them (myself included).

[FugAllY'all]

There's some truth to this, but it's obvious that Norv has made some kind of an impression on Cam when it comes to his "shot selection". I think he finally understands his limitations as a passer and that the ball needs to get out before trying to force a throw that's not really in his wheelhouse. Hell, he probably even told him to pull it down and run more if the look isn't there. That's translated to the higher completion percentage and lower turnover rate.  

[TheRumGone]

1 hour ago, Cracka McNasty said:

Shula had good plays.

Dude just had no situational awareness for when to use them. 

And he didn't adjust.

this is it right here. situational play calling is what our last two coordinators lacked that was the biggest negative imo. 

[NorthTryon]

1 hour ago, Cracka McNasty said:

Shula had good plays.

Dude just had no situational awareness for when to use them. 

And he didn't adjust.

 

1 hour ago, Camp Fodder said:

This. The broncos even said after the Super Bowl they knew exactly what he was going to do and he gave up because he didnt know how to counter. He went into every game with one game plan and if that didn’t work it was game over

I am in total agreement.  I recall that Shula said that he liked to script his first twenty five plays.  So if his gameplan wasn't cooking, we had no chance because he was still going to call those twenty-five plays before even attempting anything else.  Think about that.  If a team is going three and out, that is a whole half or more worth of possessions.  Norv on the other hand scripts six.  Six plays and he said he will scrap those plays if he doesn't like what he sees after 1st and 2nd down.  These two are like night and day.  And to me the offenses look the same, but Norv is way more creative with route combinations and blocking schemes.

[Cary Kollins]

outside of the first drive, shula picked plays out of a fugging hat and you can't convince me otherwise. he was so fugging bad

Norv is a huge upgrade if not for the fact that we haven't seen any routes where two or more WR are in the same spot, a staple of Shula's incompetency.

[Lumps]

It’s not hard to see Norv calls plays similar to Shula. The biggest difference to make is his willingness to adjust, adapt and not force something he doesn’t have the personnel to run. Norv isn’t changing Shula’s scheme, he’s acknowledging the weaknesses that Shula would not.

[Manther]

Also, the Giants are doing so much better this year.

[Saca312]

He’s not far off. It is a very similar scheme.

However, Norv has been an improvement in situational calling and overall imo. I’d give him a lot more credit with that.

Scott’s a huge Cam fan so largely he made this take in response to people assuming Norv is the full reason Cam got better. Cam really never got better. He’s been elite and is continually playing football at its highest level. Norv isn’t making Cam who he is right now. However, Norv is improving the overall situation around him with superior situational play-calling and maximizing the weapons around Cam. Imo, far better than Shula did.

The schemes are similar, yes. We finally also have better players. But Norv is definitely better than Shula in regards to understanding situational playcalling and maximizing talent.

[Manther]

6 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Scott’s a huge Cam fan so largely he made this take in response to people assuming Norv is the full reason Cam got better. Cam really never got better. He’s been elite and is continually playing football at its highest level. talent.

I'd agree, but Cam is stepping up into the pocket a lot more now, which will turn him into monster.  How much of that is Norv and how much of that is necessity from the oline depletion can be debated.  However, CMC having holes to run it new.

[Doc Holiday]

Bull poo of the highest regard. 

You can see purpose with Norv, he uses plays to set up other plays 2-3 plays later in the Series, the best example of this was against the Ravens and Bengals with Shula it was more of “let’s see if this works” approach.

huge difference in play calling, if they knew what they’re watching they would know that.

[Saca312]

11 minutes ago, Manther said:

I'd agree, but Cam is stepping up into the pocket a lot more now, which will turn him into monster.  How much of that is Norv and how much of that is necessity from the oline depletion can be debated.  However, CMC having holes to run it new.

If you had been paying any attention, Cam’s pocket movemenet has been elite for a long time. He’s not “stepping into the pocket more” at all. He’s been maneuvering himself based on pressure as good as any of them for a while.

2016 I could bring up a whole host of examples of Cam’s incredible pocket presence for a “down year.”