David Newton trying to start some controversy

[PanthersBigD]

43 minutes ago, rbsponsel52 said:

Really! No reason to insult me because all I was doing is adding on to what you said is all.

Dude, you just pied an epic troll because they used your favorite buzz words. You didn't even notice who the people in the pictures that he posted actually are. That strongly reinforces coralreefer's point. 

[PantherOnTheProwl1523]

45 minutes ago, PanthersBigD said:

Dude, you just pied an epic troll because they used your favorite buzz words. You didn't even notice who the people in the pictures that he posted actually are. That strongly reinforces coralreefer's point. 

You seriously need a pair of glasses because what what coralreefer posted was before the pictures were posted so learn to look and read before you make a lame comment like you did.

[PanthersBigD]

Just now, rbsponsel52 said:

You seriously need a pair of glasses because what what coralreefer posted was before the pictures were posted so learn to look and read before you make a lame comment like you did.

I wasn't talking about coralreefer's post. I simply agreed with him that you need to bone up on your reading comprehension, which you proved yet again with this response. 

[tiger7_88]

5 hours ago, MHS831 said:

  The central problem has not been successfully addressed--the central problem is not the owners, the president and his politically-motivated involvement, or the protesting players.  Forcing any faction to change their reactions is unconstitutional.  So there is no resolution from this perspective because the central problem has not been addressed properly.

The central problem:  They play the national anthem in front of cameras and thousands of people and expect the players to stand in respect without considering the position it puts them in.  Should Reid and Kaepernick be expected to stand for something that they feel targets and belittles those like them?  Make them stand?  When they kneel, they become targets of the President and the cameras--it is conflict and America loves conflict.  Fans are offended because they feel it is disrespectful, and they pay the bills. 

The solution:  Who said playing the national anthem was a requirement?  Heck, in baseball, we have players from other countries who are not citizens.  We have Canadian teams.  These are athletes, not soldiers. This is entertainment, not politics.  We do not pray in schools--that makes some angry--but it is because they want their values forced on others.  I assure you that they would have a different perspective if the schools prayed and practiced customs from another religion or denomination.  However, they scream,  "They took God out of the schools!"  No they did not--they took their God out of the schools.   Schools are not charged with nurturing spirituality, so why do we insist on prayer there?  Taking religion out of schools has created animosities, but making it part of the hidden or intended curricula would be much more problematic.  Schools are respecting the freedom of religion by not requiring prayers and Bible recitations.  The NFL is not in the  patriotism business, and you now see why.   

We do not mind it so much when our values are forced on others, but when the tables are turned, there is moral outrage.  That is where Reid and Kaepernick are.  They are being paraded in front of cameras and stands full of people and expected to respect the flag and anthem despite strong resentment for showing allegiance to something that discriminates against those like them.  Heck, there are people on this board that think African Americans should still salute the confederate flag because it represents "Southern heritage."  To blacks, "Southern heritage" means traitors, lynchers, and slavery--even if your family was too poor to own slaves.  Anyone who can't see that refuses to consider alternative perspectives in an argument--that is called narrow mindedness (I call it "blind tradition".

  When they play the anthem at games, players are put on the spot.  Did they commit a crime on one knee? No.  Did they do something that disrupted the flow of the process?  No.   It is called civil disobedience, and it is INDEED protected by the bill of rights.  So lets not assume the American flag and its theme song are requirements.  If so, do not make people show respect. 

To see the central problem, you have to look at this from the player's perspective--their ethnicity, current and historical events that shape their perspectives, and what they are expected to do on a national stage.  Put your bias away and consider their rights. 

Irony:  most of the people who should read this won't because they get mad at simple logic that exposes their biases.  And it is long. 

[TheRed]

1 hour ago, Cat said:

I'm not trying to be the tone police. I think he's an ass. I think Steve Smith is an ass. If Bob McNair said that I think he is a racist piece of poo. 

Yes, McNair is a racist. I don't think you are necessarily trying to be the tone police. The issue is that what you said about Reid is exactly the kind of mindset that the owners wanted directed toward the kneeling all along. They wanted to pit not only players against each other, but make kneeling players look bad to fans, and ultimately undermine the entire cause. It seems to have worked well.

[PantherNation123]

On 11/1/2018 at 12:17 AM, mjligon said:

@IceWhiteice and @PantherNation123 a couple turds

Haha what?  Don't @ me without explaining why you're calling me a turd, clown.

[PantherNation123]

Just now, PantherNation123 said:

Haha what?  Don't @ me without explaining why you're calling me a turd, clown.

@mjligon haha actually I see why now.  I poo'ed you because I thought you were talking about Eric Reid having a punchable face.  I think you may have been talking about David Newton though, in which case I 100% agree.  Poo retracted

[DeAngelo Beason]

I don't really agree or disagree with the kneeling stuff... don't really care personally.  But WHYYYY does this guy have such a sh*t attitude.

[Cary Kollins]

There were nazis in Vietnam?

[tiger7_88]

11 minutes ago, PantherNation123 said:

Poo retracted

That's gotta be uncomfortable.

[Cat]

50 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Yes, McNair is a racist. I don't think you are necessarily trying to be the tone police. The issue is that what you said about Reid is exactly the kind of mindset that the owners wanted directed toward the kneeling all along. They wanted to pit not only players against each other, but make kneeling players look bad to fans, and ultimately undermine the entire cause. It seems to have worked well.

Eh that logic gives him a free pass to act however and the simply blame any negative opinions on owners. Maybe he's just kind of an ass. Like I said I have zero issue with kneeling. I've even joined in but he is abrasive for no good reason. 

[Sasquatch]

Title 36, Subtitle I, Part A section 301 United States Code

[TheRed]

6 minutes ago, Cat said:

Eh that logic gives him a free pass to act however and blaming any negative opinions on owners. Maybe he's just kind of an ass. Like I said I have zero issue with kneeling. I've even joined in but he is abrasive for no good reason. 

Is anyone out there actually giving Reid a free pass though? I mean here we are now at this moment microanalayzing his words, and even his demeanor. Does that sound like someone getting a free pass to you? Or does that sound like what it's like to be an outspoken black man in America in 2018?

Have you read up on what actually happened with the players coalition from the part of the league/owners? I would encourage you to do so. Eric Reid himself laid out the process quite succinctly. Is he perfect or entirely blameless in this? Of course not. But putting the onus of civility on him at this stage in the game is misguided considering all the league has done to attack the credibility of Reid and other players who support the cause from day 1.

[Cat]

8 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Is anyone out there actually giving Reid a free pass though? I mean here we are now at this moment microanalayzing his words, and even his demeanor. Does that sound like someone getting a free pass to you? Or does that sound like what it's like to be an outspoken black man in America in 2018?

Have you read up on what actually happened with the players coalition from the part of the league/owners? I would encourage you to do so. Eric Reid himself laid out the process quite succinctly. Is he perfect or entirely blameless in this? Of course not. But putting the onus of civility on him at this stage in the game is misguided considering all the league has done to attack the credibility of Reid and other players who support the cause from day 1.

Sounded like you were. I can separate the two.