Browns fire Hue Jackson

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Bama Panther said:

Especially when they are concerned with the development of their #1 draft pick (hopefully) franchise QB.

Was thinking the same thing.

Are they going to hand the head coaching duties to Gregg Williams? If that's the case, I'm gonna need more popcorn.

 

[Carl Spackler]

0-16 and he stays

2-4-1, their best start to a season in 4-5 years and he's fired

ok

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Carl Spackler said:

0-16 and he stays

2-4-1, their best start to a season in 4-5 years and he's fired

ok

I gotta believe a lot of it's his personality.

Hue is an a--hole. So is Haley. putting the two of them on the same staff really seemed like a bad idea when it was first announced.

Maybe it really was.

[Bama Panther]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Was thinking the same thing.

Are they going to hand the head coaching duties to Gregg Williams? If that's the case, I'm gonna need more popcorn.

 

There is a lot of talk on the NFL Network right now of the Browns possibly going big after Lincoln Riley, Mayfield's college coach.

[SetfreexX]

I don't see how anyone could say he's a terrible head coach, last I checked we were all in NC. How close a tabs are we keeping on CLE again? Talent or not, they're still the 4th best team in the AFC North, and they are still years from competing in the AFC period. 

This was the 1st year they have a potential future at the ''QB'' position and being 2-5-1 is not horrible considering how far they are behind the rest of their own conference and within their own division. 

I mean realistically, you've had nothing for years, and the year you finally start to show some progress you fire him...?

Seems a bit short sighted IMO, you trade Gordon to NE who's (up to this point been) been solid -- 13 / 224 / 1 TD (17.2)

You trade away Carlos Hyde for a 5th??

You look at the defense and outside of Garrett who are you really impressed with, Ward the rookie is the only other player I can think of, you have a few names, but who's making real waves there on that side of the ball?

And finally who are you going to bring in, promote, etc. that could do better. The man joined the longest running dumpster fire in the NFL, and is fired when they're showing small signs of improvement but as a young team hasn't learned to finish games yet. If you're gonna rebuild you have to commit, it just seems like they keep starting over every 3rd year. 

[NeederNodder]

It's insane to think thart Mike Pettine was their best coach in years. 

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Bama Panther said:

There is a lot of talk on the NFL Network right now of the Browns possibly going big after Lincoln Riley, Mayfield's college coach.

That sounds like a very Brownsish move.

Surely he wouldn't be available immediately though...

[Anybodyhome]

7 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

0-16 and he stays

2-4-1, their best start to a season in 4-5 years and he's fired

ok

Not to mention they were but a play or 2 away from being 4-3.

[tondi]

Good deal for Hue.  Gets the holidays off and still gets paid.  

[Bama Panther]

5 minutes ago, SetfreexX said:

I don't see how anyone could say he's a terrible head coach, last I checked we were all in NC. How close a tabs are we keeping on CLE again? Talent or not, they're still the 4th best team in the AFC North, and they are still years from competing in the AFC period. 

This was the 1st year they have a potential future at the ''QB'' position and being 2-5-1 is not horrible considering how far they are behind the rest of their own conference and within their own division. 

I mean realistically, you've had nothing for years, and the year you finally start to show some progress you fire him...?

Seems a bit short sighted IMO, you trade Gordon to NE who's (up to this point been) been solid -- 13 / 224 / 1 TD (17.2)

You trade away Carlos Hyde for a 5th??

You look at the defense and outside of Garrett who are you really impressed with, Ward the rookie is the only other player I can think of, you have a few names, but who's making real waves there on that side of the ball?

And finally who are you going to bring in, promote, etc. that could do better. The man joined the longest running dumpster fire in the NFL, and is fired when they're showing small signs of improvement but as a young team hasn't learned to finish games yet. If you're gonna rebuild you have to commit, it just seems like they keep starting over every 3rd year. 

While your points seem valid on their face, you have to look at who was at the helm of the dumpster fire for the past two years. Hue Jackson was. They have shown improvement this year, but is that due to Hue or is it due to Todd Haley? Given this is Haley's first year in Cleveland, logic would suggest he is the reason for the uptick in the offense. 

Another aspect of this is Hue's terrible leadership, as shown by his comments to the media last week concerning the offense. As Panthers fans, we often wish Rivera would make comments calling people out in the media, but in the back of our minds, we know that leaders don't do that. It's not good to throw people under the bus in public. Hue did just that. There is also information coming out that Baker Mayfield was not a big fan of Jackson, so there is also that. 

In the grand scheme of things, Hue Jackson just failed to show any indications of every really turning that team around. I'd venture to guess that's why he was let go.

[hepcat]

Why didn't they just fire him during the offseason???? Browns gonna brown.

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

Browns defense 28th in league in yards/game.  24th in points/game.  Does the DC stick around?  Was the bad defense due to HC?  OC not giving defense a chance to rest?

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Bama Panther said:

While your points seem valid on their face, you have to look at who was at the helm of the dumpster fire for the past two years. Hue Jackson was. They have shown improvement this year, but is that due to Hue or is it due to Todd Haley? Given this is Haley's first year in Cleveland, logic would suggest he is the reason for the uptick in the offense. 

Another aspect of this is Hue's terrible leadership, as shown by his comments to the media last week concerning the offense. As Panthers fans, we often wish Rivera would make comments calling people out in the media, but in the back of our minds, we know that leaders don't do that. It's not good to throw people under the bus in public. Hue did just that. There is also information coming out that Baker Mayfield was not a big fan of Jackson, so there is also that. 

In the grand scheme of things, Hue Jackson just failed to show any indications of every really turning that team around. I'd venture to guess that's why he was let go.

I'm pretty sure John Dorsey wanted to get rid of Hue Jackson from the moment he was hired, but Haslam apparently thought the sun rose and set on Jackson's dome.

One of the prevailing theories right now is that Dorsey finally talked Haslam into it.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

Browns defense 28th in league in yards/game.  24th in points/game.  Does the DC stick around?  Was the bad defense due to HC?  OC not giving defense a chance to rest?

If they fire Williams too, this might be the most entertaining football meltdown in decades.