Fire Rivera fanboys must be on vacation

[MHS831]

Matching.  Link the Turner at left with the role each has with the Panthers.  You have 1 minute.  Go.

1.  Norv Turner                 A.  Making Cam Newton and the offense better

2. Scott Turner

3. Ron Turner

4.  Cameron Turner

[CPF4LIFE]

16 hours ago, stankowalski said:

Why do people make statements like this like they are in the know?  Are you saying that Norv hasn't had control of the offense in any game except the last one?  

It's one thing to vilify a man with facts but to constantly throw conjecture in there seems a bit much to me.

Ron said for the giants game that he wanted to run the ball even more than we did against the bengals and thats what we did. We all saw how sloppy the second half of that giants game looked. 

[TheCasillas]

1 hour ago, Fox007 said:

Remember the time our veterans dropped passes, fumbled the ball, and didn't block and cost us the SB?

Remember the veteran on GB who took out a return and fumbled it to cost GB a game like 2 days ago.

DJ Moore been playing on STs, STs fumble happen poo look at Gambles famous back pass vs the Vikings.

Oh noes we're scared to play the better player because they might fumble a time or two on STs when veterans do the same poo.

Difference is trust. You trust veterans to not make that mistake, doesn't mean they won't. Veterans normally know better. You trust veterans to do the right thing. Rookies don't know yet, they are still learning, you can't trust them to make the right decision.

You make it sound like Rivera is the ONLY coach in the nfl who doesn't play his rookies. Just as much as it is physical game, it is a mental game. 

There are not many of you, but the Rivera haters do try to paint these arguments one sided. You act as if Rivera has made one single decision that lost us a game.  See Pat Shurmur - I can't imagine being stuck with that numskull. 

[raz]

it also seems like some of you rivera lovers can see no fault and are more attached to being correct and proving others wrong than anything else.   to some people it seems their opinions are more important that actual team success.  this is hard to understand.  there are a lot more of us that can see both sides, and just want the best for team, our personal opinions be dammed.  some of us fall on the side of 'he's not going to get us there, he is a good coach but is gonna get scared and screw stuff up," while others see his faults and think he can learn to overcome them, but are also able to understand he may not learn.      

 

i haven't seen one of the rivera is a god people say anything about the fact that we were possibly going to win a sb with shula as our coordinator, think about that for a minute, and as the o was practicing new plays from old looks, ways to fool the hell out of denver's d, which needed to be done, rivera interrupted practice to tell them to stop, what we did worked fine and just keep doing that.    he literally cost us a chance at a victory.   

[TheCasillas]

10 minutes ago, raz said:

rivera interrupted practice to tell them to stop, what we did worked fine and just keep doing that.    he literally cost us a chance at a victory. 

sources?

[Toomers]

 

18 minutes ago, raz said:

it also seems like some of you rivera lovers can see no fault and are more attached to being correct and proving others wrong than anything else.   to some people it seems their opinions are more important that actual team success.  this is hard to understand.  there are a lot more of us that can see both sides, and just want the best for team, our personal opinions be dammed.  some of us fall on the side of 'he's not going to get us there, he is a good coach but is gonna get scared and screw stuff up," while others see his faults and think he can learn to overcome them, but are also able to understand he may not learn.      

 

i haven't seen one of the rivera is a god people say anything about the fact that we were possibly going to win a sb with shula as our coordinator, think about that for a minute, and as the o was practicing new plays from old looks, ways to fool the hell out of denver's d, which needed to be done, rivera interrupted practice to tell them to stop, what we did worked fine and just keep doing that.    he literally cost us a chance at a victory.   

   Unfortunately. You have it completed backwards. 

You, as many others, have already made up your mind. You even said so. So nothing he does short of winning a SB is going to change it. How is everyone else wanting the team to fail when we are winning consistently? You want change and right now. But someone saying they see flaws but defending him on a specific issue, is thinking he's a god. You need to look in the mirror. As do many on here. 

[Darvinsun]

 

Nobody doubts that Ron likes a conservative approach.  But it's NOT clear "lots of our forced attempted runs have been on Ron."  How is it clear?  It's just more conjecture.  And what exactly is a forced attempted run?  Should we just throw the ball every down?  Are the runs that don't work on Ron and the ones that do work on Norv?  

I think it' a combination of Norv and Ron. Norv is trying to find a groove and Rivera already knows the results for he has seen it for 7yrs, but bc it is how he wants the game played ground and pound he is not going to say let's let Cam have it bc truly we wants to control the clock. Letting Norv be the fall guy.

[Toomers]

8 minutes ago, Darvinsun said:

I think it' a combination of Norv and Ron. Norv is trying to find a groove and Rivera already knows the results for he has seen it for 7yrs, but bc it is how he wants the game played ground and pound he is not going to say let' let Cam have it bc truly we wants to control the clock.

Yet we are passing the ball more than at any time during the Shula era. Who is telling who to do what again? How does this work.

[raz]

casillas, the source is rivera himself.  he said it in a presser, or interview.    

toomers, no, i said i would happily eat my words.   happily.    i'm not pulling for ron to fail.   he just seems to have a way of screwing things up.  and i'm pretty good looking.  i like the mirror.    and i do get upset as hell when he makes a mistake he's made over and over.  that's true.   this board isn't about people's character anyway.  its a fan message board.  you know, for fans, who sometimes disagree.   i will cuss cam so bad one minute and praise him the next during a game.  i don't like when we lose on any play, much less a whole game.   that's kinda what being a fanatic is.  its not a rational thing.  im not against people who love ron.  i love him.  doesn't mean i trust him to do the right thing at crunch time, and yes, it may take a sb victory to change my mind, and we could win in spite of him, who knows what the future holds.  who knows how any of us will change with it.

[TheCasillas]

3 minutes ago, raz said:

casillas, the source is rivera himself.  he said it in a presser, or interview. 

This is one of those things where I have to see it to believe it. I don't doubt you as a person, I just don't believe a head coach would come out and say that they stopped their coaches from game planning.... for any game..... especially the SB.

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, raz said:

casillas, the source is rivera himself.  he said it in a presser, or interview.    

toomers, no, i said i would happily eat my words.   happily.    i'm not pulling for ron to fail.   he just seems to have a way of screwing things up.  and i'm pretty good looking.  i like the mirror.    and i do get upset as hell when he makes a mistake he's made over and over.  that's true.   this board isn't about people's character anyway.  its a fan message board.  you know, for fans, who sometimes disagree.   i will cuss cam so bad one minute and praise him the next during a game.  i don't like when we lose on any play, much less a whole game.   that's kinda what being a fanatic is.  its not a rational thing.  im not against people who love ron.  i love him.  doesn't mean i trust him to do the right thing at crunch time, and yes, it may take a sb victory to change my mind, and we could win in spite of him, who knows what the future holds.  who knows how any of us will change with it.

And all that is fine. But you know the unrealistic level of fandom you have(which is cool) by overreacting on every play(good or bad). But you came in here telling anyone who disagreed with you that they had a "problem" with how they look at the entire team in general. Just wanted you to look at both sides.

[Darvinsun]

 

remember the time DJ Moore finally got lots of playing time, had two fumbles and cost us the game?  That's why rookies take time getting to the field.  The experience is doing him well, and he's playing great, but he's not a seasoned veteran and will still make rookie mistakes.

Thats why he should have been starting day 1 he is the number one draft pick or at lest split time. You cantget better sitting on the bench and practice when you are practicing with the 2nd team is not enough. A number 1 pick should be treated as such.

[raz]

casillas i would look it up, but its too painful.  somebody else here has to remember it.

we cool toomers, if i came across that way, it was in an attempt to get them to see both sides also, and evidently i could have done a better job.   

[Darvinsun]

6 hours ago, Navy_football said:

Cam had arguably the best rookie season of any QB, ever. Of course you start him. McCaffrey was behind JStew most of his rookie campaign. And for every Bradberry/slew of others, I can give you a Moton, Norwell, Moore, Norman... 

Rookies do tend to make more mistakes, but they also make more plays when they're more talented. You have to take your lumps with young guys so they can learn to avoid/limit the mental mistakes. 

I do understand the idea of limiting Moore due to Ian Thomas starting at TE. But he was barely being used at all, when he should have been getting at least 5 -10 touches a game.

Yes and these are #1 draft picks not bottom dwellers. If you felt that he wasn't starting material then why pick him knowing that we needed a wr. We wastedalot of draft pics on defe since players hat didnot start and now that it's time they are not producing like the should. Just barely good to be rotational players. Let them learn while they are eager.