Hurney needs to be canned for his offseason

[JARROD]

Didn’t we just blowout win? What is this crap?

ill second the “Shut the hell up” post,..

[Jaxel]

Seriously, can we just ban the op? 5-2 can the negativity stop?

[juliosantos]

this has to be panthers united .different name , same idiot 

[heel31ok]

2 hours ago, RumHam said:

Trading for Torrey and him starting has cucked this offense. Blowing the breeland signing, signing poe who's biggest contribution was a 15 yard penalty for being fat and lazy, and reaching on gaulden we're all poo decisions. Why draft Moore if he wasn't implented because of Torrey seniority? Fog hurney is still garbage.

Your consistency is amazing ...playoffs

[FugAllY'all]

What the fug lol. You won't find a bigger Marty hater then me, but he handled this off season just fine. The only thing you could really criticize him for is only getting Poe for letting Norwell and Star walk. Jackson was an INSPIRED pick though and overall he's handled the roster well.

[RumHam]

Whatever we going to super bowl. Is my post a record for most turd reactions?

[Proudiddy]

Lol, not only has all of our success over the last decade been solely dependent on Hurney's drafts (yes, even Gettleman's tenure...  actually, ESPECIALLY Gettleman's tenure), but this may go down as one of his best drafts ever considering where we were picking.  DJ may be the second coming of Steve Smith and Jackson may be our first legitimate shut down corner in franchise history (Gamble was great as well, but Jackson looks to be another level).  And as critical as I was of some of the picks outside of DJ, those LBs look to be extremely promising, as though they could step right in and possibly even become upgrades over Shaq and Mayo down the road.

And let's be honest, the Hurney hate was rooted in moves JR dictated that fans pinned on Hurney.  The big money giveaway was all JR's doing, and had very little to do with Hurney.  Give the man his respect.  Our success during the Cam/Luke Era was all due to Hurney.  For all the love Gettleman gets, despite pissing away two all-pros for nothing, forcing a franchise left tackle to retire, and creating undue animus between our franchise and the best player associated with the franchise in our entire existence until Cam and Luke, it's crazy how little respect Hurney gets for leaving him the core to win with...  for further proof of what Gettleman was left to work with here, in comparison, check out what he's done in his first year with New York.  And meanwhile, for further proof of how underrated Hurney is and how overrated Gettleman was, look at how well Hurney's rookies are performing and look at how underwhelming Gettleman's guys have been...  Shaq, Mayo, Butler, etc., and Bradberry is getting picked on every week while Jackson is almost to the point that teams are scared to throw at him.  

Respect Hurneymagic.

 

 

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

Lol, not only has all of our success over the last decade been solely dependent on Hurney's drafts (yes, even Gettleman's tenure...  actually, ESPECIALLY Gettleman's tenure), but this may go down as one of his best drafts ever considering where we were picking.  DJ may be the second coming of Steve Smith and Jackson may be our first legitimate shut down corner in franchise history (Gamble was great as well, but Jackson looks to be another level).  And as critical as I was of some of the picks outside of DJ, those LBs look to be extremely promising, as though they could step right in and possibly even become upgrades over Shaq and Mayo down the road.

And let's be honest, the Hurney hate was rooted in moves JR dictated that fans pinned on Hurney.  The big money giveaway was all JR's doing, and had very little to do with Hurney.  Give the man his respect.  Our success during the Cam/Luke Era was all due to Hurney.  For all the love Gettleman gets, despite pissing away two all-pros for nothing, forcing a franchise left tackle to retire, and creating undue animus between our franchise and the best player associated with the franchise in our entire existence until Cam and Luke, it's crazy how little respect Hurney gets for leaving him the core to win with...  for further proof of what Gettleman was left to work with here, in comparison, check out what he's done in his first year with New York.

 

 

An awful lot of our failure over the past decade was dependent on Hurney's drafts, and his free agency moves.

Again, the obvious question to anyone making the absolutely ridiculous suggestion that Gettleman deserves no credit for his success here is if  Hurney was really that good, why didn't he succeed with the players he drafted?

(and no, you don't get to blame Jerry Richardson because he was still here when Gettleman was in charge; ditto Rivera)

[SmartyHurney]

33 people poo on you.

Well, looks like I was right allllll along! Gettleman was seriously overrated, and Hurney was scapegoated.

It's good seeing this forum come to its senses.

[Proudiddy]

17 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

An awful lot of our failure over the past decade was dependent on Hurney's drafts, and his free agency moves.

Again, the obvious question to anyone making the absolutely ridiculous suggestion that Gettleman deserves no credit for his success here is if her knee was really that good, why didn't he succeed with the players he drafted?

(and no, you don't get to blame Jerry Richardson because he was still here when Gettleman was in charge)

Hurney also doesn't coach.  Ron makes less of the mistakes that resulted in Hurney's dismissal because he almost lost his job around the same time and Riverboat was born as a result...  so, even though Ron still has some of the same weaknesses, they aren't as prevalent as they were in Hurney's first tenure.  And yes, IMO, some of it still gets pinned more on JR than anyone else because those years after the lockout, Hurney had few assets to work with bc we were cap strapped, which again, is on JR as a result of those signings he dictated.  No doubt, he had a few flubs in the draft, especially in the second round repeatedly, and I was critical of them.  But, he also had more hits throughout each draft than many GMs could ever dream of.  While we have very little value or lasting power from any of Gettleman's drafts (CMC and Samuel are our best prospects moving forward, while KK has seemingly regressed, and while I think Bradberry is a JAG, some believe in him, but those are the best players he picked).  It could be argued that you could pick any one of Hurney's drafts, and it would be better than all of Gettleman's combined to this point in terms of value and impact.

All of that being said, I'm just pointing some things out for perspective.  Has Hurney made some mistakes?  Absolutely.  But, imo, none as costly as Gettleman's.  But, I'm also not saying Gettleman had nothing to do with our success while he was here, but his job was made easy.  He was overrated and overappreciated considering the problems he created, overall poor drafting, and again, the fact that he just had to add pieces to Hurney's core.  Hurney doesn't get the credit he deserves for that, while Gettleman gets more credit than he should and not enough blame for the lasting issues he caused at LT, CB, and WR.  Jmo...

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

Hurney also doesn't coach.  Ron makes less of the mistakes that resulted in Hurney's dismissal because he almost lost his job around the same time and Riverboat was born as a result...  so, even though Ron still has some of the same weaknesses, they aren't as prevalent as they were in Hurney's first tenure.  And yes, IMO, some of it still gets pinned more on JR than anyone else because those years after the lockout, Hurney had few assets to work with bc we were cap strapped, which again, is on JR as a result of those signings he dictated.  No doubt, he had a few flubs in the draft, especially in the second round repeatedly, and I was critical of them.  But, he also had more hits throughout each draft than many GMs could ever dream of.  While we have very little value or lasting power from any of Gettleman's drafts (CMC and Samuel are our best prospects moving forward, while KK has seemingly regressed, and while I think Bradberry is JAG, some believe in him, but those are the best players he picked).  It could be argued that you could pick any one of Hurney's drafts, and it would be better than all of Gettleman's combined to this point in terms of value and impact.

All of that being said, I'm just pointing some things out for perspective.  Has Hurney made some mistakes?  Absolutely.  But, imo, none as costly as Gettleman's.  But, I'm also not saying Gettleman had nothing to do with our success while he was here, but his job was made easy.  He was overrated and overappreciated considering the problems he created, overall poor drafting, and again, the fact that he just had to add pieces to Hurney's core.  Hurney doesn't get the credit he deserves for that, while Gettleman gets more credit than he should and not enough blame for the lasting issues he caused at LT, CB, and WR.  Jmo...

It's a bad opinion.

We had the best run of success in team history (and our best season) with Gettleman in charge. Dismissing his influence is silly.

Rosters are built of 53 players. You evaluate the whole, not the parts.

[Car123]

25 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's a bad opinion.

We had the best run of success in team history (and our best season) with Gettleman in charge. Dismissing his influence is silly.

Rosters are built of 53 players. You evaluate the whole, not the parts.

Going by this logic, Ron Rivera is a top 8 coach in the NFL. In the last 5 years, very few have as high a winning percentage as Rivera does.

[Proudiddy]

40 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's a bad opinion.

We had the best run of success in team history (and our best season) with Gettleman in charge. Dismissing his influence is silly.

Rosters are built of 53 players. You evaluate the whole, not the parts.

I'm not dismissing his influence.  I'm just pointing out it's overrated.  Yes, it takes a full 53, but tell me how valuable guys like Cotchery and Mitchell are without a Cam or Luke.  All due respect Scot, but you can't accuse me of dismissing Gettleman's influence and then do the same thing when it comes to Hurney's contributions to those same rosters.  Idc who Gettleman drafted or signed to fill out those 53-man rosters...  if we don't have Hurney's guys, all of those teams don't sniff winning records.  So, to devalue his contributions, despite dismissing, that if weighted, Hurney's players were far more important to and responsible for our success, is just absurd to me...  and I'm not a Hurney fan boy by any means.  I just think his past tenure has been a low-hanging fruit and a groupthink-based pinata for a lot of the fanbase to beat on...  honestly, it's not even worth debating, because you will rely on his record as evidence of gettleman's superiority, while i will continue to point out the actual worth of his rosters without Hurney's guys.  Additionally, you could point out that it's impossible to really know how good those teams were without Hurney's guys, and I could argue that it is entirely possible that had Hurney not been scapegoated and instead remained GM, that we would have had the exact same success that Gettleman had.  While I also think if Gettleman was as genius as many claim, why can't he win in his first year in NY with a Superbowl-winning QB, possibly the best WR in the league, a solid corner, and a solid MLB like he did here with even "less"?  In any case, we'll never know.  I think many are just more fond of Gettleman's meat and potatoes, salt of the Earth, pure-football guy presentation and as a result, believe he's a better GM while ignoring his flaws.

It's fine.  Like i said, we can't really prove either side of the argument in spite of records, because there are so many variables that can negate or affirm one's opinion on the matter due to both of their influence on the roster, depending on what one wants to emphasize...  

And anyway we had a great win today, and some great rookies contributing in a big way...  no point in degrading the importance of that with comparisons of our current GM against our past GM, and that's on me.  My opinion on the matter will remain unchanged, as will yours.  I'd rather just enjoy the wins and the guys that are here.

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

Im an old school Hurney hater but he has done a decent job so far in his return. As long as he stops his boner for resigning aging vets to lucrative deals then he would be an above average GM.