FYI: the panthers have no cap space

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

I know you're well-versed in the cap, but several things I disagree with here...

[Doc Holiday]

4 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Ahh hell no. That’s is not at all the issue. You aren’t running away that easy. 

 

You said everything i posted was WRONG. Let’s hear why? Or are you incapable of backing up even one thing you said. I don’t care if it’s a good or bad idea. This is about you stating facts are wrong, but you are right. 

And don’t forget about Matt Kalil. I want to hear how your right there too. Should be easy if you’re so sure

You were wrong about Kalils contract, and you’re wrong about making these moves. As I mentioned before this is how we ended in cap he’ll under Marty v1.0.

i don’t know about y’all but I’d rather not see that again. It was bad.

Cam’s cap relief would be minimal if not none at all because he has very little time left on the contract.

KK is the only one where we could do something, but you don’t want to don’t want to do that right now with that much contract and time left. 

As someone mentioned before you don’t really want to do that unless it’s with Luke or Cam. But we really can’t do that with Cam right now.

[Doc Holiday]

12 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

I know you're well-versed in the cap, but several things I disagree with here...

As i said in my other post, this board has been claiming the Taints would be in a irreparable cap hell for years since Brees re-upped two extensions ago, IIRC.  It's not happening, they are active every year, so the cap is manageable, no matter how bad your contracts are.

Also, you saying it's "not worth restructuring to make a deal because we aren't close to making a run for a Superbowl," isn't rooted in numbers, that is rooted in opinion.  Did you think we had a Superbowl-worthy, 15-1 roster in 2015 until it happened?  Not many did until we got there, but we made moves along the way to prepare ourselves for that run.  This year is no different.  We have some flaws, but you never know how it will all come together, and I still argue, this is the most talented roster from top-to-bottom that we have had in Cam and Luke's tenure.  So, if we have a weakness that is worth addressing, we need to do so...  a pass rusher, a solid tackle, or a corner are all worth exploring for the right price.

Imo the 2015 team was more talented. 

I thought we could have a good team in 2015 but didn’t expect that either.

cap is manageable to a point, I know I’m sounding like a broken record, but this is how we ended up in CAP he’ll under Marty v1.0.

right now the saints already have their cap near about maxed out for next year and have only their 2nd and 5th draft pick I think.

Eagles this year are proof that just carrying over the same roster year to year isn’t enough. Even for super bowl champs.

its going to catch up to the saints next year as things stand.

[Toomers]

Just now, Doc Holiday said:

You were wrong about Kalils contract, and you’re wrong about making these moves. As I mentioned before this is how we ended in cap he’ll under Marty v1.0.

i don’t know about y’all but I’d rather not see that again. It was bad.

Cam’s cap relief would be minimal if not none at all because he has very little time left on the contract.

KK is the only one where we could do something, but you don’t want to don’t want to do that right now with that much contract and time left. 

As someone mentioned before you don’t really want to do that unless it’s with Luke or Cam. But we really can’t do that with Cam right now.

  And once again, I never said we should or shouldn’t do anything. YOU said we couldn’t. First sign you have no clue about the salary cap.

   Then, when presented with a factually correct option, that is common knowledge, YOU called it a pay cut and said I was wrong. Second sign of ignorance of salary cap. And still nothing to prove otherwise on either. 

  And to top it off, you state I’m wrong about Matt Kalil.Show me why you’re right and I’m wrong. Show me exactly what was done and what were the options. Shouldn’t be hard if you’re so sure. I know I can prove my points and have many times before. 

  Take your foot out of your mouth and address your specific comments. You called me out. Be a man for once.

  

[philit99]

7 minutes ago, Doc Holiday said:

Imo the 2015 team was more talented. 

I thought we could have a good team in 2015 but didn’t expect that either.

cap is manageable to a point, I know I’m sounding like a broken record, but this is how we ended up in CAP he’ll under Marty v1.0.

right now the saints already have their cap near about maxed out for next year and have only their 2nd and 5th draft pick I think.

Eagles this year are proof that just carrying over the same roster year to year isn’t enough. Even for super bowl champs.

its going to catch up to the saints next year as things stand.

The problem is, if the Saints win the superbowl then they could care less about what they have to do next year. I'm not for mortgaging the next 5 years, but I am ok to invest in something we need this year, because we start falling apart next year. This is our last shot at a run for a year or two, maybe three.

[Doc Holiday]

14 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  And once again, I never said we should or shouldn’t do anything. YOU said we couldn’t. First sign you have no clue about the salary cap.

   Then, when presented with a factually correct option, that is common knowledge, YOU called it a pay cut and said I was wrong. Second sign of ignorance of salary cap. And still nothing to prove otherwise on either. 

  And to top it off, you state I’m wrong about Matt Kalil.Show me why you’re right and I’m wrong. Show me exactly what was done and what were the options. Shouldn’t be hard if you’re so sure. I know I can prove my points and have many times before. 

  Take your foot out of your mouth and address your specific comments. You called me out. Be a man for once.

  

https://www.google.com/amp/s/pantherswire.usatoday.com/2018/02/26/panthers-change-matt-kalils-contract-but-get-no-cap-savings/amp/

man that was hard to find.

they did it to prorate his roster bonus by converting it to signing bonus, thus lowering his cap hit for this year and eliminated his contract kill clause.

It’s a Pay cut for Cam unless he gets injured. It has to do with where he is in his current contract. Which it’s near the end.

as far as KK goes, he just got paid last year. He has a large amount on his contract remaining not sure you want to add to it at this point.

 

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, Doc Holiday said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/pantherswire.usatoday.com/2018/02/26/panthers-change-matt-kalils-contract-but-get-no-cap-savings/amp/

man that was hard to find

So what were the options. What happened during that changed the money in any way that wasn’t beneficial to the Panthers. 

What part of that articles show any of that? Why was this the WRONG move for Hurney? If it was such a mistake, tell me why? Posting an article simply stating it was done means nothing. Actually understanding what you read does. What was the mistake? How long you think that will take you. 

  And don’t forget about defending your other statements about pay cuts and restructures. Still waiting....

[Doc Holiday]

1 minute ago, Toomers said:

So what were the options. What happened during that changed the money in any way that wasn’t beneficial to the Panthers. 

What part of that articles show any of that? Why was this the WRONG move for Hurney? If it was such a mistake, tell me why? Posting an article simply stating it was done means nothing. Actually understanding what you read does. What was the mistake? How long you think that will take you. 

  And don’t forget about defending your other statements about pay cuts and restructures. Still waiting....

Read last, I edited instead of adding new posts 

[Raleigh PF]

36 minutes ago, bababoey said:

Actually our cap space is about 2 million not 200,000.  But that is while Matt Kalil is on IR.  Once he comes off we probably go over so someone is going to have to restructure for that. 

https://www.nflpa.com/public-salary-cap-report

Players on IR still count against the salary cap, so Kalil's return will not force a contract restructure. It will force the Panthers to make room on the roster for his return, so someone will have to be cut, but it has nothing to do with the salary cap.

[Toomers]

11 minutes ago, Doc Holiday said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/pantherswire.usatoday.com/2018/02/26/panthers-change-matt-kalils-contract-but-get-no-cap-savings/amp/

man that was hard to find.

they did it to prorate his roster bonus by converting it to signing bonus, thus lowering his cap hit for this year and eliminated his contract kill clause.

It’s a Pay cut for Cam unless he gets injured. It has to do with where he is in his current contract. Which it’s near the end.

as far as KK goes, he just got paid last year. He has a large amount on his contract remaining not sure you want to add to it at this point.

 

What contract kill clause? You had everything right until then. There was no such clause. Ever. Hurney did what he could under the contract. No mistake and a move every GM would make. Show me where there was an option that involved an “out” or “kill clause”. That’s the issue. This will take awhile because it doesn’t exist. 

How is it a pay cut if you’re handing them the same exact amount EARLY? You just don’t understand any of this. The fact that he close to a new contract is all the more reason to do it. We can kick it down the road 5 more years until Cam retires.

Again. Don’t care if you should. Care about could and you calling me wrong when you clearly have little to no understanding of what you’re talking about. 

[Doc Holiday]

1 minute ago, Toomers said:

What contract kill clause? You had everything right until then. There was no such clause. Ever. Hurney did what he could under the contract. No mistake and a move every GM would make. Show me where there was an option that involved an “out” or “kill clause”. That’s the issue. This will take awhile because it doesn’t exist. 

How is it a pay cut if you’re handing them the same exact amount EARLY? You just don’t understand any of this. The fact that he close to a new contract is all the more reason to do it. We can kick it down the road 5 more years until Cam retires.

Again. Don’t care if you should. Care about could and you calling me wrong when you clearly have little to no understanding of what you’re talking about. 

Bro, Igo made a post of Kalil’s contract back when we signed him and noted the kill clause(wasn’t called that explicitly in the contract), it would be that we could cut him after the 2nd year and only owe $10m in dead cap. It was how his contract was structured. 

When they restructured they re worded and organized his money they took it out. And lowered his cap hit mainly for this Season. 

Ive already google searched one answer for you, go find this one yourself. I’m done.

[Snake]

1 hour ago, Bronn said:

The next two years won't be fun offseasons people.

Here's a look at people who's contracts are up next year:
Ryan Kalil (retiring and UFA)
Thomas Davis (retiring and UFA)
Pep (retiring again? UFA)
Mike Adams (retiring? UFA)
CJ Anderson
Marshall Newhouse
Eric Reid
Devin Funchess
Wes Horton
Fozzy Whittaker
Colin Jones
Kyle Love
Chris Clark
Amini Silatolu
Ben Jacobs
Daryl Williams
Taylor Heinicke
David Mayo
CAP
Manhertz (RFA)
Byrd (RFA)
Norris (RFA)
Cox and Obada are both ERFA

2020 UFAs:
Addison
Torrey Smith
Cockrell
Searcy
Shaq
Bradberry
Van Roten
Hawkins
Seymour

We're gonna need cap flexibility just to stay afloat. Bad contracts on guys like Matt Kalil and Munnerlyn are hurting us right now. One could argue that the last thing we need to do is to make things harder in the next few years on us financially.

Outside of Williams and Funchess who I'm really not sure we should keep those names don't cost much. We will also have about 30 million next year. If we choose not to keep Shaq for the 5th year that's 9 more million plus Greg is probably done so that's another 7 million . 2020 we will have 55 million to spend without cutting Kalil. 

[Toomers]

Just now, Doc Holiday said:

Bro, Igo made a post of Kalil’s contract back when we signed him and noted the kill clause(wasn’t called that explicitly in the contract), it would be that we could cut him after the 2nd year and only owe $10m in dead cap. It was how his contract was structured. 

When they restructured they re worded and organized his money they took it out. And lowered his cap hit mainly for this Season. 

Ive already google searched one answer for you, go find this one yourself. I’m done.

That’s because everyone was wrong about his contract at first. And if it was posted as such, where is it. You expect a random statement from Jeremy to trump what is actually on the contract. The numbers changed because the option got exercised. Something that we HAD to do. 

I made multiple posts about this scenario back when he signed. I can easily post them. Everyone ignored that Option bonus and told me I was crazy all year when I said we were screwed. Can show many of those as well. Sportrac didn’t account for it so everyone assumed it wasn’t there. When I said that they were wrong, again I was trashed. But guess what happened. Exactly what I said would. 

 Where is/was this “clause” and how did what Hurney did affect somethat never existed. 

[ThatsJustAJ]

2 hours ago, Bronn said:

The next two years won't be fun offseasons people.

Here's a look at people who's contracts are up next year:
Ryan Kalil (retiring and UFA)
Thomas Davis (retiring and UFA)
Pep (retiring again? UFA)
Mike Adams (retiring? UFA)
CJ Anderson
Marshall Newhouse
Eric Reid
Devin Funchess
Wes Horton
Fozzy Whittaker
Colin Jones
Kyle Love
Chris Clark
Amini Silatolu
Ben Jacobs
Daryl Williams
Taylor Heinicke
David Mayo
CAP
Manhertz (RFA)
Byrd (RFA)
Norris (RFA)
Cox and Obada are both ERFA

2020 UFAs:
Addison
Torrey Smith
Cockrell
Searcy
Shaq
Bradberry
Van Roten
Hawkins
Seymour

We're gonna need cap flexibility just to stay afloat. Bad contracts on guys like Matt Kalil and Munnerlyn are hurting us right now. One could argue that the last thing we need to do is to make things harder in the next few years on us financially.

Looks fun to me.

a youth movement in Carolina? I’m all for it.