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[PntherPryd]

1 hour ago, Cat said:

Yeah but when Brady, Luck and Rogers are poo for 3 quarters and make 4th quarter comebacks the leading story everywhere is how amazing they were

 

[Fryfan]

Game turn around and clutch play are assets in a QB - at least for all the other elite ones.

 

 

[Johnny Rockets]

21 minutes ago, PntherPryd said:

 

I keep seeing different numbers about this floating around but what I don't understand is what they are showing? Is it a certain time frame? I know active QB's like Brady, Big Ben, Ryan, Brees, Stafford, etc. have at least 25+ comebacks.

And what about comeback success %? I believe Luck and Brady are the only ones over 50% in success rate which I think is the most relative way of looking at it. Some guys have more opportunities than others. Cam hovers around 35% which is still very good but I just don't fully understand these different comeback stats flying around social media. Someone educate me please. 

 

[tiger7_88]

1 hour ago, poorboysrev said:

Right!  I mean good QBs play perfectly every game the whole way through...i really don't understand some of our fans. Philadelphia had all of the momentum going into that 4th quarter, it takes  a GREAT player to turn that energy around. By that logic all of the hall of famers on that 4th quarter comeback list must've really needed to be more consistent so they wouldn't have needed to come back from being down in the 4th quarter..."elite" QBs must dominate every week from start to finish, like Tom Brady did in that super bowl....oh wait down 28-3 at halftime...that can't be right, he must need to concentrate and want it more and work harder if he wants to be any good...

The week before it was cam's not good enough to bring us back in the 4th...next week he does just that  down even more and these folks just move the yard stick again...it's ridiculous 

Good QBs *never* overthrow receivers.

Good QBs *never* throw interceptions.

Good QBs *never* make bad reads.

Good QBs *never* display bad footwork.

Good QBs *never* move wrong in the pocket and get sacked.

Good QBs *never* fail on their 4th quarter comeback attempts.

Good QBs *never* fail to perform well on every offensive possession through every minute of every game.

Only Cam Newton does these things according to the harping nit-pickers.

[PntherPryd]

3 minutes ago, Johnny Rockets said:

I keep seeing different numbers about this floating around but what I don't understand is what they are showing? Is it a certain time frame? I know active QB's like Brady, Big Ben, Ryan, Brees, Stafford, etc. have at least 25+ comebacks.

And what about comeback success %? I believe Luck and Brady are the only ones over 50% in success rate which I think is the most relative way of looking at it. Some guys have more opportunities than others. Cam hovers around 35% which is still very good but I just don't fully understand these different comeback stats flying around social media. Someone educate me please. 

 

yeah, you are right.  I was trying to copy the original post where Cam passed Rogers. Neither are in top 15

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/the-top-15-qbs-who-have-the-most-fourth-quarter-comebacks-in-nfl-history/ar-BBNfnTT

 

[FugAllY'all]

Cam is quietly having the best start to a season of his entire career. His execution of the short to intermediate passing game has been flawless, he's making the right reads on the RPO and true option stuff, and he's taking care of the ball. 14 total touchdowns to only 4 turnovers is elite, as is his completion percentage when you consider we still aren't a high volume passing offense and we throw a lot of 50/50 balls by design. He's even running the ball better and smarter than he ever has before. 

Oh, and he's looking better and more comfortable in Norv's offense each game, culminating with those three BIG BOY drives at the end of the Eagles game. It wasn't like the defense gave him a short field, he had to march down the entire field three times against a championship caliber defense. Like Cris Carter said, if Brady or Rodgers had done that, you could have channel surfed sports shows for 3 hours and seen nothing but highlights of that comeback. 

He's basically proven every criticism of him totally wrong. Even at 29 years old and with multiple NFL records already under his belt, he's showing to be very coachable under a new offensive coordinator and taking his game to another level.

[poorboysrev]

9 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Good QBs *never* overthrow receivers.

Good QBs *never* throw interceptions.

Good QBs *never* make bad reads.

Good QBs *never* display bad footwork.

Good QBs *never* move wrong in the pocket and get sacked.

Good QBs *never* fail on their 4th quarter comeback attempts.

Good QBs *never* fail to perform well on every offensive possession through every minute of every game.

Only Cam Newton does these things according to the harping nit-pickers.

Hahaha yep

[Cat]

1 hour ago, Johnny Rockets said:

I keep seeing different numbers about this floating around but what I don't understand is what they are showing? Is it a certain time frame? I know active QB's like Brady, Big Ben, Ryan, Brees, Stafford, etc. have at least 25+ comebacks.

And what about comeback success %? I believe Luck and Brady are the only ones over 50% in success rate which I think is the most relative way of looking at it. Some guys have more opportunities than others. Cam hovers around 35% which is still very good but I just don't fully understand these different comeback stats flying around social media. Someone educate me please. 

 

I agree the stat is stupid. However when these stats have been thrown around in regards to Rogers, Luck and Brady it's framed the same way, no additional stats accompany making it rather meaningless.

[Palmetto]

Hours after the game the Panthers comeback wasn't even among the top stories listed on NFL .com

[tiger7_88]

1 hour ago, FugAllY'all said:

14 total touchdowns to only 4 turnovers is elite

Arguably, none of his 4 interceptions were because of him, but because of the intended receiver.

Again, arguably, without his receivers fugging up, he would have ZERO interceptions in six games.

[Darvinsun]

All they talked about was how Philly had a melt down ...how about maybe that panther team is just that good on any given Sunday with that QB and MLB.

[MasterAwesome]

31 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Arguably, none of his 4 interceptions were because of him, but because of the intended receiver.

Again, arguably, without his receivers fugging up, he would have ZERO interceptions in six games.

The one Norman intercepted last week wasn’t on the receiver...he underthrew it cause his arm got hit.

[jtm]

2 hours ago, PntherPryd said:

yeah, you are right.  I was trying to copy the original post where Cam passed Rogers. Neither are in top 15

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/the-top-15-qbs-who-have-the-most-fourth-quarter-comebacks-in-nfl-history/ar-BBNfnTT

 

We debated this last week and don't want to rehash it, but Cam was tied for 71st all time with 14 career 4th qtr comebacks.  Now at 15, he'll be higher but no where close to number 1 among active NFL qbs.  

[ChillzIlz]

5 hours ago, 4Corners said:

The entire team and coaching staff does 

this. Its not always Cam. Our coaching can be bone heads for 45min.