Panthers Offense 24th in points

[pantherclaw]

2 hours ago, Rags said:

Okay but they still can't get off the field 

Last week against the Redskins they didn't give up a bunch of points, but the Redskins still had a lot of long, clock eating drives. We had three offensive drives in the second half. Of course, the Redskins are also built for that, they're one of the best clock managing teams in the NFL. That's what Alex Smith is good at.

The reason we were able to comeback this week is because our defense was finally able to get off the field.

I'm glad we haven't been giving up points as much, that's a step up from the form show in the Falcons and Giants games.

Once they can stop drives more consistently, we'll be golden.

Points wins games. 

Would it be better if our offense had clock eating drives, and kept our defense fresh, so that our defense could play lights out and get off the field??? Well, yeah. Perfect world. 

Yet we're winning. 

We haven't even come close to playing our best football, and we're 4-2.  Rivera teams tend to peak around December, when they're supposed to. 

If our offense can start games quicker, I believe we'll be alright. 

[bababoey]

Actually we are 24 in total points because a lot of teams have not had there bye yet.  In points per game we are 18th.  So saying we are 24th in points is a little bit misleading and untrue.  Really we are kind of in the middle of the pack in points.

[Manther]

35 minutes ago, bababoey said:

Actually we are 24 in total points because a lot of teams have not had there bye yet.  In points per game we are 18th.  So saying we are 24th in points is a little bit misleading and untrue.  Really we are kind of in the middle of the pack in points.

18th is bottom half, still Shula territory with a MVP quarterback, a top 5 running back, millions spent in FA at WR, and the first receiver drafted in 2018.   Granted we were without our starting RT and LT and probowl tight end...but Thomas did ok and Moton helped fill the oline gap.    We need to score 30 points a game in this league.  We aren't doing it.  I don't know why.  The O just isn't in sync.

[ForJimmy]

10 hours ago, Mage said:

“What are we in wins?” - Cam Newton

In all seriousness I think they are better than that. Defense just can’t get off field

^This. I feel like we have way less opportunities because of our defense. I’ve watched several games were we only got one possession in a quarter....

[wud35]

12 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

^This. I feel like we have way less opportunities because of our defense. I’ve watched several games were we only got one possession in a quarter....

the offence going 3 and out a lot during the games don't help the defense stay fresh and wears them down fast. they go hand in hand.  

[trueblade]

Rams are averaging 30+ points per game. NBC put a graphic showing the other teams to average (I think it was) 27 or points a game. It's only happened 4 times, but 3 of the 4 won the Super Bowl. 

[FugAllY'all]

People need to keep in mind, Norv Turner's Coryell offense is heavily reliant on receivers making reads themselves and adjusting their routes based on what the defense is doing. This is why our most explosive playmakers, Samuels and Moore, spend a lot of time on the sideline. They just aren't at the point in there development where they can do that consistently, or in sync with what Cam is seeing. We saw what happened when Ian Thomas was forced into a receiving role he just wasn't ready for, you could blame both those INTs against the Giants on him just not being on the same page with Cam.

This offense will continue to improve as not only Cam, but the outside play makers get more familiar with their responsibilities. Even Greg has a bit of a learning curve, he ran a few routes wrong yesterday too. We'll get to the point where Samuels and Cam can look at each other, know they both see the defense is in single high safety, and switch to a man beater route without doing or saying anything. Norv knows what he's doing y'all, but like Cam said, this ain't instant oatmeal. 

 

[bababoey]

People really need to take a little dose of reality.  The Rams average 30 points a game because they are in the worst division in football.  Like the Patriots and the Colts for years it's easy to win your division and score a ton of points when half the teams you play are awful.  The Rams have already played everyone in their division and beat the poo out of them.  If it was so easy to score 28, 29, 30 points a game then why don't the Patriots do it every year.  People on this board must think this game is being played on a PS4 and we should score on every drive or something.  That just don't work in the NFL. 

[panthers55]

12 hours ago, Seltzer said:

Yep.  We have the pieces to run a wide open offensive attack.  I understand going no-huddle as the base offense is maybe not sustainable, but what happened to doing more of what we did in 2015 when we consistently got to the line with 15+ seconds on the play clock?    That allowed Cam to make adjustments, change the play, etc.

Cam has earned the right to do this.  The most underrated part of Cam's game is his mental prowess in surveying defenses and making the right read.  He misses some throws, but it is almost always due to shoddy mechanics rather than not understanding where the ball needs to be.

You assume him not going to the line with plenty of time is Shula and now Norv's fault. Given we know for a fact that Newton has the play with at least 15 seconds on the clock because the mike shuts off, if he doesn't amble up to the line until 8 or 9 seconds on the clock it is on him, no one else. He most likely has 20 seconds. And honestly he is not great reading defenses and given what is likely more precision and higher expectations from Norv he is likely relearning things again. While Rivera is a constant so is Newton. Funny how all the blame is everyone's fault but Cam and he is the guy pulling the trigger on every play.  It may not be all his fault but clearly some of it lies there as well as the Oline and coaching. Would be nice to see more balance.

[panthers55]

2 hours ago, Manther said:

18th is bottom half, still Shula territory with a MVP quarterback, a top 5 running back, millions spent in FA at WR, and the first receiver drafted in 2018.   Granted we were without our starting RT and LT and probowl tight end...but Thomas did ok and Moton helped fill the oline gap.    We need to score 30 points a game in this league.  We aren't doing it.  I don't know why.  The O just isn't in sync.

Scoring 30 points a game is not a requirement to win. Scoring one point more than your opponent on any given Sunday is the only requirement needed to win. That is our goal and what it should be.

[Khyber53]

13 hours ago, Manther said:

https://247sports.com/nfl/tennessee-titans/ContentGallery/NFL-offensive-scoring-rankings-2018-121722415/#121722415_24

6 games in, and we're in Shula territory with a lot more WR weapons and an upgrade at running back.  The Oline is not performing that much different than last year.  Why?  

Our scoring vs. opponent's scoring. Without that ratio, the numbers are meaningless.

[Manther]

1 hour ago, bababoey said:

People really need to take a little dose of reality.  The Rams average 30 points a game because they are in the worst division in football.  Like the Patriots and the Colts for years it's easy to win your division and score a ton of points when half the teams you play are awful.  The Rams have already played everyone in their division and beat the poo out of them.  If it was so easy to score 28, 29, 30 points a game then why don't the Patriots do it every year.  People on this board must think this game is being played on a PS4 and we should score on every drive or something.  That just don't work in the NFL. 

The pats scored ~30 points against us last year.    We needed to score ~30 points to win that game.   The pats scored 30+ in the playoffs and superbowl.   To beat the aints we are going to need to score 30 points.

RR pushes towards slow moving slug fest with our d and run game. We need to get our passing game to perform like it did in the 4th last week without the necessity of no-huddle rush.  The reason the pats are the best at passing is because they pass all the time.  They scheme to pass.  I really feel that you establish the pass to run, not the other way around.  RR should not have to tell his coaches at half time to be aggressive.  We should be aggressive from the first snap.

[tiger7_88]

2 hours ago, trueblade said:

Rams are averaging 30+ points per game. NBC put a graphic showing the other teams to average (I think it was) 27 or points a game. It's only happened 4 times, but 3 of the 4 won the Super Bowl. 

The Panthers have surrendered 131 points on defense in 6 games.

The Rams have surrendered 128 points on defense in 7 games.

Its almost as if you CAN have a dynamic, scoring offense (taking full advantage of the NFL rules as they are set here in the year of our Lord, 2018) *AND* a very good defense at the same time. 

Somebody send a memo to Ron "Run the ball, play defense, dominate time-of-possession because its still 1985" Rivera.

[mc52beast]

Ron is a defense based coach. pretty sure every coach we’ve had has emphasized defense. Until Ron evolves along with 21st century football what you see is what you get