Patrick Peterson has asked for a trade

[Panthercougar68]

13 minutes ago, SOJA said:

this I keep wondering how the Saints seemingly have infinite cap space 

You can only kick the can so far down the road.

[uncfan888]

14 minutes ago, SOJA said:

this I keep wondering how the Saints seemingly have infinite cap space 

The salary cap is a myth. There's ways around it if you're smart

[SOJA]

12 minutes ago, ncfan said:

They get Peterson and resign Teddy B

 

1. Theyll already be atLeast 7 mil Over the cap for next year.

2.  Will have to go full time Kamara as they lose Ingram unable to resign

3. Lose their starting TE to FA

4. Have Zero draft picks rounds 1-3 (will take minimum of a 2nd rounder to get Peterson)

 

And Still have to do all sorts of restructuring to get the 7 mil over to under the cap. And just eat the other holes with late round picks or someone already on the roster

 

 

Sounds for nice and easy for ESPN and put Peterson to a contender in their heads without looking at the #s

We have just as good a chance of trading for Clowney, resigning everyone we currently have hitting FA, and sign a Landon Collins as they pull this off

great work as always ncfan 

[saints4lifeagain]

19 minutes ago, ncfan said:

You cant just look at this year too.

 

Peterson is due 11 mil next year.

Saints only have a little over 14 mil in open cap space for next year and still have guys like Ingram, Benjamin Watson, and Teddy Bridgewater (who they just traded for and will takeup 10mil at the very minimum) hitting the open market

They are already squeezed so tight in cap space, its going to be dam near magic to maneuver the space for him.

Saints have $21 million next year, before extending Drew, who has a $33 million cap hit. Watson is about 40. Are we really using him as a guy that needs to be resigned? Ingram and Bridgewater, sure. 

There's plenty of money there. Cap isn't a concern. Compensation is.

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, rodeo said:

such a defeatist attitude. we have like 40 million in cap space, a bounty of delicious draft picks, and a dramatic need in our secondary. there's no reason not to do this besides timidity.

Peterson is a man corner. We run a zone system. The Eagles (who ran the same defense then that we do now) tried a similar mismatch with Nnamdi Asomugah and it didn't work so well.

Throw in that he's 28 and plays a position that isn't kind to those who turn 30.

For a reasonable trade? Maybe, but the Cardinals aren't likely to ask for a reasonable trade. And I'm not up for throwing a blockbuster trade for a guy who's pushing 30 and doesn't fit our system.

[Iron Saint]

56 minutes ago, jumpman910 said:

He's only a 6.5 cap hit this season tho. Loomis can make it work cap wise the issue would be proper compensation to make the cardinals bite 

This man knows.

27 minutes ago, SOJA said:

this I keep wondering how the Saints seemingly have infinite cap space 

You didn't hear? Loomis is a wizard.

[ncfan]

10 minutes ago, saints4lifeagain said:

Saints have $21 million next year, before extending Drew, who has a $33 million cap hit. Watson is about 40. Are we really using him as a guy that needs to be resigned? Ingram and Bridgewater, sure. 

There's plenty of money there. Cap isn't a concern. Compensation is.

I mean unless im missing something everything ive seen is 14-17 in space for next year for you guys

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2019/

 

Peterson will eat 11 of that leaving 3-6 mil

Teddy B will cost a min of 10 mil, could go closer to 12-13 mil.  I just dont see them easily to let him walk after just trading for him

They are now sitting 6-9 mil over the cap.  

Not sure how much extending Drew will save but it may get it right close to even.

Then have no draft picks round 1-3 with holes at LB, TE, and now are all in on Kamara as him being 100% full time back as they wont be able to resign Ingram

 

 

Just too much to overcome for them to get him.

And yes just getting the compensation is even a bigger hurdle.  Peterson is arguably the top CB in the league (and lets not forget a stud returner)

Amari Cooper just was traded for a first and Petersons value is higher

Mack went for 2 first which Peterson wont go for, so probably something in between

 

 

Saints only have a 2nd to give

[saints4lifeagain]

4 minutes ago, ncfan said:

I mean unless im missing something everything ive seen is 14-17 in space for next year for you guys

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2019/

 

Peterson will eat 11 of that leaving 3-6 mil

Teddy B will cost a min of 10 mil, could go closer to 12-13 mil.  I just dont see them easily to let him walk after just trading for him

They are now sitting 6-9 mil over the cap.  

Not sure how much extending Drew will save but it may get it right close to even.

Then have no draft picks round 1-3 with holes at LB, TE, and now are all in on Kamara as him being 100% full time back as they wont be able to resign Ingram

 

 

Just too much to overcome for them to get him.

And yes just getting the compensation is even a bigger hurdle.  Peterson is arguably the top CB in the league (and lets not forget a stud returner)

Amari Cooper just was traded for a first and Petersons value is higher

Mack went for 2 first which Peterson wont go for, so probably something in between

 

 

Saints only have a 2nd to give

The link you posted even has it at $17, not $14. Overthecap has it at $21. 

Teddy signed a $6 million deal this offseason. He's doubling that after sitting on the bench all year? Lol. 

Saints have a young TE they're grooming, as well as Josh Hill. Wouldn't call TE a hole. Saints own the #1 rush defense in football, so I'm not sure where the continued talk of the LBs come from. Davis has been phenomenal. Teo, Klein, Robertson, and Anzalone all play snaps as well. Ingram will be retainable, and if not, Kamara led the league in yards from scrimmage before Ingram came back. Being all in on him seems like a decent option.

Peters was traded for a 4th and a following 2nd. He's not Peterson, but still a top tier corner. I'm not sure what the Cardinals would be asking, as they say they don't want to trade him, but La Canfora says the Saints have been working on the Cardinals for weeks about him. They're not doing that because they don't think they can work it all out.

[ncfan]

18 minutes ago, saints4lifeagain said:

The link you posted even has it at $17, not $14. Overthecap has it at $21. 

Actually overthecap has it at 14mil with projected 51 man roster

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/

 

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Teddy signed a $6 million deal this offseason. He's doubling that after sitting on the bench all year? Lol. 

 

 

Teddy signed that blindly coming off a knee injury that most said he'd never come back from.  Once he came back and had a Strong offseason and Preseason, he became the talk again and the hot potential trade guy, which you guys did.  Most have had him as the top QB FA this upcoming offseason since preseason.  So no he isnt doubling from being on the bench, just a mier signing for what pretty much everyone without saints glasses on had projected for this upcoming offseason. If Tyrod Taylor is making 14 mil, you are delusion if you think Teddy is going to sign for under 10 this year

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Saints have a young TE they're grooming, as well as Josh Hill. Wouldn't call TE a hole.

 

 

Hill is also a FA

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Saints own the #1 rush defense in football, so I'm not sure where the continued talk of the LBs come from. Davis has been phenomenal. Teo, Klein, Robertson, and Anzalone all play snaps as well.

Teo, your starting MLB is a FA, but maybe one of the other guys fills his role

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Ingram will be retainable, and if not, Kamara led the league in yards from scrimmage before Ingram came back. Being all in on him seems like a decent option.

Ingram is going to be the top RB FA target nit naned Bell this offseason with several teams needing a RB such as Indy.  Will be hard to get him for anything under 6-7 mil.

He walks. And while i have no doubt Kamara can be the next big thing and the feature.  Question is can he hold up as being The back being out there the whole time for the whole season and still produce like he has shown

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Peters was traded for a 4th and a following 2nd. He's not Peterson, but still a top tier corner. I'm not sure what the Cardinals would be asking, as they say they don't want to trade him, but La Canfora says the Saints have been working on the Cardinals for weeks about him. They're not doing that because they don't think they can work it all out.

Peters had a Loooot of stuff going on with fights with Gm and ownership, to his antics such as the jets game ordeal, to being suspended a game for getting into it with a coach last year, and so on

Comparing Peters to Peterson is comparing apples and oranges

[FugAllY'all]

If we get anyone off the Cardinals it should be Deone Buchanon. That's a guy we can lineup at linebacker, nickel corner, or even safety. Similar player to Reid actually, but with more sideline to sideline speed.

[Toomers]

4 minutes ago, FugAllY'all said:

If we get anyone off the Cardinals it should be Deone Buchanon. That's a guy we can lineup at linebacker, nickel corner, or even safety. Similar player to Reid actually, but with more sideline to sideline speed.

When is the last time you actually saw him play? He a liability in coverage even at LB. He gained weight, lost speed, got hurt. And has at high salary for the rest of the season? ARI will probably have to throw in a pick just to get someone to take him. 

[Cpt slay a ho]

Also need to quit worrying about a players age, premier players in there early 30’s are rare, but at 28 peterson still has plenty of juice left, look at ap, top 5 pure runner of the football this year. 

The reason I don’t think it happens, just like a lot of trades is due to Rivera’s stubbornness 

[Trill OG]

I don't see how we can turn down the opportunity to pair a top 3 DB in his prime with a young promising rookie like Jackson. Especially with all the talented WR's in our division.

Peterson is a playmaker point blank. Now add Jackson on the other side, our pass defense would be an upgrade for sure.

[jumpman910]

11 hours ago, saints4lifeagain said:

Peters was traded for a 4th and a following 2nd. He's not Peterson, but still a top tier corner. I'm not sure what the Cardinals would be asking, as they say they don't want to trade him, but La Canfora says the Saints have been working on the Cardinals for weeks about him. They're not doing that because they don't think they can work it all out.

You always get less when you want a player gone like the chiefs wanted with Peters. Teams know this and lowball or not offer because of issues(same issues that made him drop in the 1st wrong) 

Peters also gambles and has given up a number of big plays despite his talent.