What is wrong with Kawan Short?

[iamhubby1]

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Not necessarily always true. Ron took a shot at PFF ratings himself last week. The problem I have with PFF is that they try to review every player on every play and without definitively knowing the play call that's pretty much impossible. They have to infer about that very critical piece of information.

 

    Oh I get it. But...PFF has got to be more reliable than the average Huddler. Right?

 

    I heard Ron saying that about PFF. But what he said about Poe helping KK was all Ron. 

[DaveThePanther2008]

47 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Coaches see the whole process, fans just see the results. The results from the DT position simply haven't been there. It's why Star was always underappreciated. He wasn't a playmaker, but he was a great facilitator. He ate uonsoace and occupied blocks which allowed others to make the plays and rack up the stats.

It should be noted that Short had two TFL yesterday. 

[Eazy-E]

32 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

    I mean, KK is our highest rated DT. He must be doing something right. Right?

 

    Who do I believe. PFF, or the Huddle. Cuz one of them is wrong.

I mean I understand what you are getting at which is why I was glad to find someone with all 22 footage that I could actually post to the huddle to show people what I have been noticing on much more than just a few occasions. These were snaps from the most critical point in the entire game and Short was an absolute non factor.

Also until PFF reveals their grading formula or shows some video evidence with examples to explain their grades I am going to take the grades with a grain of salt. I am not a football expert but I am able to watch games and all 22 tape and have enough knowledge to determine whether a players is playing well or not.

[iamhubby1]

9 minutes ago, Eazy-E said:

I mean I understand what you are getting at which is why I was glad to find someone with all 22 footage that I could actually post to the huddle to show people what I have been noticing on much more than just a few occasions. These were snaps from the most critical point in the entire game and Short was an absolute non factor.

Also until PFF reveals their grading formula or shows some video evidence with examples to explain their grades I am going to take the grades with a grain of salt. I am not a football expert but I am able to watch games and all 22 tape and have enough knowledge to determine whether a players is playing well or not.

 

    On the series before that, when the Iggles went 3 and out. Short was the one who dropped the RB for a 3 yards loss. Making it 3rd and long. Which, obviously, they missed.

 

    Also, picking 2 plays, out of a game full, to make a point is not really fair. I haven't rewatched the game yet. But he was getting penetration quite a bit. In fact, even Davis commented on how often Poe, and KK we in the backfield. Saying they were a good compliment to each other.

 

    All I said was, PFF says KK is our highest rated DT. The Huddle says he sucks. One of them is wrong. One of them at least evaluates players for a living. While the other...not so much.

 

    

[Eazy-E]

1 hour ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    On the series before that, when the Iggles went 3 and out. Short was the one who dropped the RB for a 3 yards loss. Making it 3rd and long. Which, obviously, they missed.

 

    Also, picking 2 plays, out of a game full, to make a point is not really fair. I haven't rewatched the game yet. But he was getting penetration quite a bit. In fact, even Davis commented on how often Poe, and KK we in the backfield. Saying they were a good compliment to each other.

 

    All I said was, PFF says KK is our highest rated DT. The Huddle says he sucks. One of them is wrong. One of them at least evaluates players for a living. While the other...not so much.

 

    

If you read the op, you would have seen where I said he has been terrible on passing downs but still doing alright against the run. I also said this was his best showing since the Dallas game. 

I used two plays because I can’t post things here from game pass and those two plays were the two most critical plays of the game. You would think Short would be going all out in that situation and instead he was a complete non factor. That to me is pretty alarming. 

Get game pass and go back and watch the games. You will see I’m not pulling stuff out of my ass. Shorts lack of a pass rush is a serious concern that is clearly affecting the defensive line.

[Rags]

3 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Coaches see the whole process, fans just see the results. The results from the DT position simply haven't been there. It's why Star was always underappreciated. He wasn't a playmaker, but he was a great facilitator. He ate uonsoace and occupied blocks which allowed others to make the plays and rack up the stats.

I honestly can't get a read on you sometimes man and I mean that with all due respect.

Sometimes you say coaches see the whole process and fans see the results but have bunch a critical pov for our coaches.

I'd argue that today was one of our most well coached games, we held the eagles to 17 points, we adjusted well when we were getting beat, and cleaned up most of our errors and absolutely exploited the Eagles weaknesses, yet you still say that Cam saved us.

I dunno man, I guess part of the fun of discussing football is discussing difficulties but I cannot get a grasp on where you stand.

[LinvilleGorge]

4 hours ago, Rags said:

I honestly can't get a read on you sometimes man and I mean that with all due respect.

Sometimes you say coaches see the whole process and fans see the results but have bunch a critical pov for our coaches.

I'd argue that today was one of our most well coached games, we held the eagles to 17 points, we adjusted well when we were getting beat, and cleaned up most of our errors and absolutely exploited the Eagles weaknesses, yet you still say that Cam saved us.

I dunno man, I guess part of the fun of discussing football is discussing difficulties but I cannot get a grasp on where you stand.

Just because the coaches see the whole process doesn't make them infallible.

[hepcat]

Short is 29. Turns 30 in Feb. He's the same age Charles Johnson was when he took a big step backwards. Not saying there is a correlation, I'm just mentioning it. I think we should really be wondering when Vernon Butler is going to live up to his first round pick status.

[OnlyPantherFaninMaine]

It’s at least worth noting that Eagles’ center Jason Kelce is among the best at his position in the game. He was a first team all-pro last year. The opposition gets paid to play as well. Not overly worried about Short quite yet. 

[thefuzz]

Short is playing well.

 

Just not up to his 2015 level....just like every other player on the Panthers.

[Adb6368]

8 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Hes signed until he's 33. There are no more big money contracts in Short's future. Honestly though, I wouldn't be surprised if next season is his last in Charlotte. We can save $10M in cap space by cutting him after next season. If he's no longer a high impact player I'm not sure that we can justify his $18M cap hit. Either way, I very seriously doubt he'll see the final year of his contract even if we keep him through two more seasons. We could save $14.5M (vs. an $18.5M cap hit) by releasing him prior to his final season.

Do you really want Vernon Butler taking his snaps? 

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, Adb6368 said:

Do you really want Vernon Butler taking his snaps? 

Butler may not make the team next year. The odds of us picking up his 5th year option are practically zero. The upcoming draft is very strong at DL. I won't be surprised if we go DE/DT or vice versa in the 1st/2nd. 

[CRA]

he no longer has the underrated Star next to him

Star>Poe

Star was always undervalued on the huddle

[ShutDwn]

LOL he's the 9th rated DT by PFF