Reid calls Jenkins a “sellout”

[Butterflyj30]

We barley won this game and this is what he is focusing on!! He seems like an angry person

[Snake]

Why mods ban people and keep threads like this I will never understand. 

 

With that said Reid isn't doing himself any favors by doing the things he is doing. Sercey is just as good S without the circus that is following Reid. 

[AggieLean]

31 minutes ago, tondi said:

If they can't blame systemic racism the only ones left to blame are themselves and that sure as hell isn't happening. 

Let us know who are “they”. Don’t be scared since you were bold enough to say this.

[Saha]

33 minutes ago, Matthias said:

All the data says otherwise.  Every statistic has black Americans at the bottom, and it's easy to connect the history.  Yet if you don't know the history, if you don't know the data, you don't know enough to have the conversation.

See if there system were designed to keep minorities down then there wouldn’t be successful examples of them. The system wouldn’t allow it if that were the case. My observation is that the situation may be worse than I think it is but not as bad as you think it is. I’m all for having the conversation, the problem has become that everyone has become too entrenched in their own viewpoint and “if you don’t agree with my viewpoints 100% then you’re a racist/bigot/SJW/communist etc” god forbid we compromise on issues.

[Matthias]

13 minutes ago, Saha said:

See if there system were designed to keep minorities down then there wouldn’t be successful examples of them. The system wouldn’t allow it if that were the case. My observation is that the situation may be worse than I think it is but not as bad as you think it is. I’m all for having the conversation, the problem has become that everyone has become too entrenched in their own viewpoint and “if you don’t agree with my viewpoints 100% then you’re a racist/bigot/SJW/communist etc” god forbid we compromise on issues.

There were "free" black people when slavery was at it's height.  The systematic laws that kept black people down in this country, have kept the group down.  What we see today are the results of hundreds of years of policies shutting black Americans out.  The reality is black people didn't get their full use of citizenship in this country until the late 1960s.  Even after that, you had redlining, mass incarceration, even Affirmative Action was watered down to being about "diversity".  Now if a scientist shows you evidence the world is round, would you simply stick to what you see with your eyes and say it's flat, which our eyes are limited to what we see around us?  You got to look at all the evidence and come to a conclusion.

[Saha]

Ok. Acknowledging all that. What rights today do I enjoy that you do not?

[Saha]

Just now, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

for those who dont look at the tinderbox: saha gleefully posted "islam is for fags" and then had a full fledged meltdown when a mod removed his pie as punishment. he's not in any way "all for having the conversation." there's no room for compromise there. you bring nothing of value here. 

if the mods are too chickenshit to ban him for that then the least they could do is force him to stay in the tinderbox.

Shh. The adults are talking.

[Saha]

Just now, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

were the adults talking when you posted "islam is for fags"?

I don’t know mr all libertarians are crypto racists.

[Matthias]

6 minutes ago, Saha said:

Ok. Acknowledging all that. What rights today do I enjoy that you do not?

You have to catch black Americans up.  Even if everything was equal today, black Americans are so far behind, the group won't make it in a competitive world this country has become.  Now you are seeing an age where its not about how hard you work that determines your life, but who your parents and grandparents were, and the wealth they obtained.  If this was 1940s America where you had New Deal policy and the government was making it rain on the people, yeah, black Americans could make it.  Not this day and age.

[Saha]

Just now, Matthias said:

You have to catch black Americans up.  Even if everything was equal today, black Americans are so far behind, the group won't make it in a competitive world this country has become.  Now you are seeing an age where its not about how hard you work that determines your life, but who your parents and grandparents were, and the wealth they obtained.  If this was 1940s America where you had New Deal policy and the government was making it rain on the people, yeah, black Americans could make it.  Not this day and age.

Ok. See I can understand where you’re coming from on this. And I don’t disagree. However, there are programs today where people can apply to to get free or low cost housing health care and education. So I am arguing that the resources to catch black Americans up is there.

[Saha]

3 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

for the people who don't read the tinderbox: notice how he isn't denying it?

I absolutely said it. And got punished for it. But the TB is also a place where we can be general trollish assholes. I enjoy posting inflammatory crap there because seeing you foam at the mouth is funny to me.

[Saha]

7 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

"i was just trolling" isn't a defense for hate speech dipshit

 

[Matthias]

1 minute ago, Saha said:

Ok. See I can understand where you’re coming from on this. And I don’t disagree. However, there are programs today where people can apply to to get free or low cost housing health care and education. So I am arguing that the resources to catch black Americans up is there.

If there are any resources, it certainly is not enough.  Definitely not equal to black America's contribution to the building of this nation.  With that said, things aren't equal.  You still have the ongoing effects of redlining that effects black wealth, you still black men being targeted to put behind bars (prison is big business), and you still have massive voter suppression.  The voter suppression is actually a hair's width away from Jim Crow type stuff.  Look at this tweet from our glorious president.....
 

Now you juxtapose that with this story of a black woman who is in jail right now for voting for Hillary... (By the way, Hillary didn't deserve black people's vote)

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/28/crystal-mason-begins-prison-sentence-in-texas-for-of-voting

 

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Mason’s crime was to cast a ballot in the 2016 presidential election. An African American woman, she had been encouraged by her mother to do her civic duty and vote, in her case on behalf of Hillary Clinton.

When she turned up to the polling station her name was not on the register, so she cast a provisional ballot that was never counted. She did not read the small print of the form that said that anyone who has been convicted of a felony – as she had, having previously been convicted of tax fraud – was prohibited from voting under Texas law.

Now different states have different laws concerning former prisoners being able to vote.  Even in Texas prisoners can vote, but they have to wait after a certain amount of time if I'm not mistaken.  This woman talked about it with her probation officer, so she did everything right.  In the end they wanted to make an example out of her, in spite her vote not even counting.  

Now take Trump's threat and the current voter suppression going on in Georgia, where you have 50,000 people (mostly black) who don't know if they are registered to vote.
 

 

What if these black people show up to vote, and they find out they "violated" the law and have to spend time in jail?  What if they see Trump's tweet, and these CITIZENS become afraid to vote.  This is something straight out of Jim Crow South right?  There is nothing equal about all these barriers black people are still facing.

[micnificent28]

4 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Accept that not everyone will always agree with you, but understand they only have one vote just like you.

But also understand that money rules politics and in this particular case, the person you're insulting probably has a lot more sway in that regard and insulting him is probably only encouraging him to utilize that only thing that actually matters in politics, which is $$$$.

People marching with signs and chanting and protesting accomplishes absolutely nothing. Writing checks does.

So basically just shut up and take it as the powers that be see fit..."maybe if we wait really patiently and nice massa will give us us freedom and stomp making money off our free labor" is what ur saying.