Reid calls Jenkins a “sellout”

[AggieLean]

14 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

My family is from the southern Appalachians of western NC. We've been there since the mid-1700s. I have direct ancestors who fought in the Revolutionary War. I've diligently researched my family history and can find no evidence any of my direct ancestors ever owned slaves. That's not surprising. We were always dirt poor (as was most everyone in the sourthern Appalachians) and that region didn't support the plantation style agriculture that the slave trade was largely built upon. There's plenty of systematic oppression for poor, rural whites but it's not politically correct to point that out. There's plenty of socioeconomic oppression that has nothing to do with race. I have a problem when groups of people try to make everything about race. Want to fight against systematic oppression? Please do. Want to fight against police brutality and abuse of power? Please do. But when it becomes solely about race and only the wrongs done toward a specific race matter, that's a problem for me.

I was the first person in my family to ever go to college. The funny thing is that put me add odds with plenty of my family. Look at this guy who thinks he's better than all the rest of us. That's the interesting thing about the mores of society. People who step outside of their lane are often ostracized by "their people". Just like a lot of black people who go on to college and try to better themselves. Oh, you're better than us. Oh, you're not black enough. You're trying to be white. Hell, look at Dr. Ben Carson. You'd think the guy would be a role model for many kids having grown up in the ghetto and overcome that to go on to be a world renowned neurosurgeon. But, he falls on the wrong side of the political aisle of where he's "supposed to be", so nope.

Also, tell the whole story on Ben Carson. Mr Carson has always been a republican, and he’s always been respected in the community, but he’s compared slavery to immigration like our ancestors had a choice in coming here. He’s also been in favor of policy that would set back civil rights movements and hurt blacks, like abolishing key Obama era regulations that help combat racial segregation and not to mention he’s been in favor of rent increases in section 8 homes that will hurt those in the urban community.

Hes still a role model to people like me, but there’s a reason he’s gotten backlash.

[AggieLean]

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

There's nowhere near enough parameters involved to draw a conclusion unless you've already arrived at that conclusion and are simply looking for confirmation. 

Some of the things I'm talking about is that the black population tends to be very concentrated in the south and in urban areas. Wages tend to be lower in the south. Opportunities in inner cities are lacking, period. I'm not saying that there's no systematic issues contributing to that particular metric (I think it's highly likely that it does play a role, but it's likely far from the sole contributor). I'm simply saying that you have to look at the big picture and try to account for all variables rather than attribute it solely to the one variables that you favor.

The data is telling you right there that blacks have to work more than twice as hard to get to the level of a white man. I knew all this before data was even attainable, because my dad and relatives used to tell me this as a kid. I was forced to get A’s in school because it was embedded in me that I had to work twice as hard. There is plenty there.

As for your south comment, whites in the south are still earning more than black, whether they’re on the same level education wise or not. I know a dude down in Mississippi; white guy that went to school with me. Got a felony for selling drugs, and went to jail for 3 months. First of all, I’ve got plenty of stories of partners who’s sold and got longer jail sentences, but check this out. When he got out, he was able to land a 50k dollar a year job working for the ship yard. I’ve got family members that have been to jail who haven’t been as privileged. You saw or have seen with your own eyes how a black man or woman’s past follows them their entire lives, but the guy from my school, all was forgiven and he was able to get a decent paying job. 

Ive been seeing the bigger picture my entire life, and I know that the darker your skin, the rougher you have it worldwide.

[TheRed]

Even if you mean well. You are telling on yourself by hiding behind Ben Carson's politics as a means of telling another black person how to feel about their own experiences.

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Even if you mean well. You are telling on yourself by hiding behind Ben Carson's politics as a means of telling another black person how to feel about their own experiences.

If you're implying that I'm a racist, I really don't care. I'm very comfortable that I'm not.

I'm not telling anyone how they should feel about him, I just pointed out that his story seems to fit for a good role model. Aggie's reply to that point above was plenty fair I thought.

[TheRed]

11 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If you're implying that I'm a racist

The issue is you could have mentioned any number of successful black men in this country who are role models regardless of politics. Yet you specifically singled out one who happens to be a Republican, and suggested he is somehow ostracized because of it. But you hate when things become solely about race? Got it.

At this point I don't even have to speak the words. You seem to be doing an alright job of that on your own.

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, TheRed said:

The issue is you could have mentioned any number of successful black men in this country who are role models regardless of politics. Yet you specifically singled out one who happens to be a Republican, and suggested he is somehow ostracized because of it. But you hate when things become solely about race? Got it.

At this point I don't even have to speak the words. You seem to be doing an alright job of that on your own.

Did you read my entire post? My point was that many people who step outside the lane of what they're "supposed to be" based on their race, culture, socioeconomic background, etc. end up being ostracized by "their" people. I used myself as another example of how this can happen. Damn, I guess I hate myself too. People believe what they want to believe, but I would never make a accusation like that toward another without some really damn solid proof. 

[TheRed]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Did you read my entire post? My point was that many people who step outside the lane of what they're "supposed to be" based on their race, culture, socioeconomic background, etc. end up being ostracized by "their" people. I used myself as another example of how this can happen. Damn, I guess I hate myself too. People believe what they want to believe, but I would never make a accusation like that toward another without some really damn solid proof. 

You mean did I see you venting about how it's not "politically correct" to talk about systematic oppression for poor rural whites? Coincidentally in a thread discussing black athletes protesting racial injustice? Yes I did. Which is why the name dropping of Ben Carson became even more suspect. Read your posts.

[Snake]

56 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/rollingout.com/2017/08/13/average-white-high-school-dropout-earns-more-than-black-college-grad/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2014/06/27/white-high-school-drop-outs-are-as-likely-to-land-jobs-as-black-college-students/amp/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/03/10/white-high-school-dropouts-are-wealthier-than-black-and-hispanic-college-graduates-can-a-new-policy-tool-fix-that/?utm_term=.9c3ac1825d6c

So basically their point is that white people start off with more wealth opposed to black people. In all honesty wealth management isn't about how much you start out with or what you earn. It's a learned and practiced skill. So to summarize this study says even if a white kid drops out of high school he will be supported by his parents wealth sometimes. 

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, TheRed said:

You mean did I see you venting about how it's not "politically correct" to talk about systematic oppression for poor rural whites? Coincidentally in a thread discussing black athletes protesting racial injustice? Yes I did. Which is why the name dropping of Ben Carson became even more suspect. Read your posts.

Yes, I did say that it's politically incorrect to talk about how there is systematic oppression of poor rural whites. I don't care about political correctness. Not politically correct does not equal racist.

I've appreciated my conversations with AggieLean on this matter. He's made some points that have opened my eyes on some things and hopefully I've done the same for him. I think he comes to this topic pretty emotional but that's cool. I can appreciate that. I think overall he's made a real effort to be fair and intellectually honest. You on the other hand have never done any of these things. I think at one point or another you've called every poster on this site who has ever had the slightest criticism of Cam a racist (and this coming from one of the biggest Cam fanboys you'll ever find), so I guess I shouldn't take it personally. 

[Snake]

26 minutes ago, TheRed said:

The issue is you could have mentioned any number of successful black men in this country who are role models regardless of politics. Yet you specifically singled out one who happens to be a Republican, and suggested he is somehow ostracized because of it. But you hate when things become solely about race? Got it.

At this point I don't even have to speak the words. You seem to be doing an alright job of that on your own.

Ben Carson is ostracized by both Blacks and Whites. It's become ok to be racist so long as their republicans. I mean come on you even have Don Lemon calling Kanye West a N and Token on network TV because he spoke to Trump. If you don't see that as selective racism then I can't help you. 

[Definitely Not Trolling]

2 hours ago, AggieLean said:

The average white high school drop out earns more than a black college grad. Why is that?

Cause black history and liberal arts degrees don't have a demand

[panthers1234]

3 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

You don't even know what your talking about. If for genrations I owed a black family and my kids owned a black family and i beat murdered and raped their offspring, at which point do you think my offspring say, no son....that free money and labor they give us is wrong.. the are our equals and you should respect them like you respect yourself. That talk doesn't happen. You know what does happen? they come in at night and say those lazy N words only made 10 bails of hay today. Their kids hear that. Fast forward to 1933, Those lazy N words are already free.. now they want to be paid equal money to us as well!!! so he says to his son. fast forward to 1960,They want to vote who do these N words think they are! which bring us to close to current day. Systematic oppression isn't that far fetched when u think about america from a outside view.

I think your pretty dead on. Nowadays its not nearly as bad as before and its getting better with the younger generation. In todays world its more of a subconscious racism where some people are being racist and they don't even know it. It is like so deeply entrenched that most people are oblivious to it. I see it all the time when people on facebook when point out or share something a black person did that was wrong or highlights a bad moment for them but when a black person is shot/has been wronged they go completely silent or somehow justify that he was in the wrong. Basically theres a large group of people who want to put down blacks. Maybe its from the slavery days or maybe its jealousy that they are no longer superior as the top race. 

[micnificent28]

3 hours ago, Snake said:

Body slamming is exercising his rights? Also he's had a concussion past as well. 

Ertz attacked him lol, yes defending your self is one of your right...

[micnificent28]

2 hours ago, The Huddler said:

not at the coin toss and then turning on team mates

Didnt cam fight norman? Which is worse than exchanging words.