4 Simple question for Jake defenders.

[CRA]

you do realize the OLine has to protect the QB and receivers have to get open?

Are you telling me you expect Jake to have neither and still win games?

A yes or no answer would be sufficient.

Didn't last year's Superbowl QB play behind one of the worst OLs in the league last year? Granted you need good OL play to have legit success....but the OL's play isn't an excuse for how horrific Jake has been since AZ.

[bleys]

Right now I would settle for Marc Bulger, Frave, Romo, Cassel, Pennington, and a host of other mid level QB. I wouldn't have said that before but Jakes play has change my opinion.

I'm also getting tired of the blame for jake sucking so much too going too other people. OC, Oline, WR, the running game. No it's Jake.

Big Ben = had the worst Oline last year = still won.

Brady = won 3 titles with so so wr and cast off RB.

Chad Pennington = won with DAN HENNING as his OC.

Reason why Jake is playing so bad Is Jake.

Thanks for posting this. Great opportunity for me to break this down for you as I see a little faulty logic here and hope I can help you with it.

The 1st sentence you would settle for a list of QBs who haven't played for the Panthers and you are basing this on HOPE that they would be light years better than Delhomme. My question to you is... When you bring those QBs in and they have no protection and receivers are not getting open, will you bash them the same and ask for a new QB?

Chances are great you would... I have to assume this. Even at the most basic level, "I want a QB who will win us games and not mess up. If it's not them, then I want someone who will be good." Naturally, we all think this way. What have you done for me lately? If you suck, I want you replaced. We can then continue with a turnstile of QBs until we finally realize, other issues greater than the QB need fixed 1st.

Continue reading to find out more...

You say it's Jake, and not the OLine or anyone else having such drastic effects on the QB.. Why do you believe the OLine is not a huge problem when he has been sacked numerous times and hit 10 times more? You will settle with Romo, but expect him to have even slightly better results? This to me is extremely faulty logic. Cassel has not been a shining star this year like he was last year. Difference? Better people around him in New England. Blocking and receiving, and coaching. But you will take Cassel over Delhomme? faulty logic. You think Delhomme's arm is gone but want Pennington? You do realize his OLine is much better than ours and leading hte league in rushing.. Do you understand the effect that has on receivers getting open and the QB not being relied on so much on the pass? Faulty logic.

Big Ben... wow. You're killing me here man. lol Yes, Big Ben is a top 5 QB... I would take him in a second. The man keeps a play alive like nobodies business. He is a very rare commodity and to compare Delhomme, or 27 other QBs in the league to him is ridiculous. So comparing his OLine to ours with our QB is ludicrous...

Brady... is f**king Tom Brady. Do I really need to continue typing by now? Are you serious?

Chad Pennington won with Henning. Chad Pennington also has a better OLine that was protecting him and running on defenses like no other offense in the league this year. They made Chad Henne look like Brady, and a big part of that was only relying on him to make a few throws and when that happened, supplied him with time to throw.

Mark Bulger has been irrelevant for quite a while now. Wasn't he being crucified by his fans last year? (I only have a faint memory of the Rams last year, it could have something to do with their team being horrible. Very similar to our situation. So you want a QB who other fans couldn't stand, just like us?)

One other thing to note is, you would rather have injury prone QBs who aren't even playing now than a QB who needs better blocking and receivers 2 - 4 to be efficient and at least one of those to be a threat other than Smitty.

So with all of this said, if you still have questions or still firm in your belief that Delhomme is making everyone around him incapable of blocking (run and pass) and getting open, then there is no hope.

[koolkatluke]

The point is that people are saying he is the solution and that he will instantly be better. They are looking at 2 years ago and deciding how it is going to be now, based on that. For me if you aren't much better than who is in there now, you don't start. And for all the issues Jake has, I don't see Moore as better enough to justify starting.

If Feeley has a grasp of the system I would start him. I just don't know if he can make the transition from WCO to ours given he is the third stringer and gets very few reps.

No we just want too see what we have in the kid and feel like this would be a good time as any too do it. It's not like Jake is lighting it up and if the kid throws a int or fumbles a few times. What's the differance in what Jakes doing now.

Oh wait a minute I know Jake is 35 with maybe 2-3 left and Matt is 23-24 and still young so you might can workout the problems and have a pretty good QB. Also would help you make a plan for the future. If he sucks you have too find another QB. If he does well then you can use your FA money and Draft picks on Defense a Wr and Oline depht. This would all be good to know before next offseason.

[bleys]

Didn't last year's Superbowl QB play behind one of the worst OLs in the league last year? Granted you need good OL play to have legit success....but the OL's play isn't an excuse for how horrific Jake has been since AZ.

read above.. Are you seriously comparing a top 5 QB (IMO, Top 3) who keeps a play alive like no other QB in the league? You're comparing a QB who is better than 27 other QBs in the league to an average QB who is sufficient most of the time when he isn't getting hit?

Do not read that to say Delhomme is elite or great.. Or that he doesn't fug up. But read my post above. It should make sense...

[Catdaddy]

They brought JStew in when they didn't know what they had in Dwill.

Maybe they are not good in finding out what they have before they bring someone new in.

They brought Stewart in cause Williams has so many miles on him already. He had the most all purpose yards in NCAA history, the most 100 yard rushing games, plus blew his knee out , so they wanted another quality back for insurance.

[CRA]

read above.. Are you seriously comparing a top 5 QB (IMO, Top 3) who keeps a play alive like no other QB in the league? You're comparing a QB who is better than 27 other QBs in the league to an average QB who is sufficient most of the time when he isn't getting hit?

Do not read that to say Delhomme is elite or great.. Or that he doesn't f**k up. But read my post above. It should make sense...

Ben is a top 5 QB and without a doubt better than Jake. However, I don't think the gap between the two is so great.....that the OL play from AZ forward is that great of an excuse for Jake's play. Sure, the OL could have played much better and hasn't made life as easy as it could have......but that doesn't justify again how horrific Jake has played. You can pin part on the OL, part on playcalling, part of the WR options....but the majority does imo still fall on the QB.

[3MTA3]

Winning cures all problems, and all the negative talk, watch and see.

[koolkatluke]

Thanks for posting this. Great opportunity for me to break this down for you as I see a little faulty logic here and hope I can help you with it.

The 1st sentence you would settle for a list of QBs who haven't played for the Panthers and you are basing this on HOPE that they would be light years better than Delhomme. My question to you is... When you bring those QBs in and they have no protection and receivers are not getting open, will you bash them the same and ask for a new QB?

Chances are great you would... I have to assume this. Even at the most basic level, "I want a QB who will win us games and not mess up. If it's not them, then I want someone who will be good." Naturally, we all think this way. What have you done for me lately? If you suck, I want you replaced. We can then continue with a turnstile of QBs until we finally realize, other issues greater than the QB need fixed 1st.

Continue reading to find out more...

You say it's Jake, and not the OLine or anyone else having such drastic effects on the QB.. Why do you believe the OLine is not a huge problem when he has been sacked numerous times and hit 10 times more? You will settle with Romo, but expect him to have even slightly better results? This to me is extremely faulty logic. Cassel has not been a shining star this year like he was last year. Difference? Better people around him in New England. Blocking and receiving, and coaching. But you will take Cassel over Delhomme? faulty logic. You think Delhomme's arm is gone but want Pennington? You do realize his OLine is much better than ours and leading hte league in rushing.. Do you understand the effect that has on receivers getting open and the QB not being relied on so much on the pass? Faulty logic.

Big Ben... wow. You're killing me here man. lol Yes, Big Ben is a top 5 QB... I would take him in a second. The man keeps a play alive like nobodies business. He is a very rare commodity and to compare Delhomme, or 27 other QBs in the league to him is ridiculous. So comparing his OLine to ours with our QB is ludicrous...

Brady... is f**king Tom Brady. Do I really need to continue typing by now? Are you serious?

Chad Pennington won with Henning. Chad Pennington also has a better OLine that was protecting him and running on defenses like no other offense in the league this year. They made Chad Henne look like Brady, and a big part of that was only relying on him to make a few throws and when that happened, supplied him with time to throw.

Mark Bulger has been irrelevant for quite a while now. Wasn't he being crucified by his fans last year? (I only have a faint memory of the Rams last year, it could have something to do with their team being horrible. Very similar to our situation. So you want a QB who other fans couldn't stand, just like us?)

One other thing to note is, you would rather have injury prone QBs who aren't even playing now than a QB who needs better blocking and receivers 2 - 4 to be efficient and at least one of those to be a threat other than Smitty.

So with all of this said, if you still have questions or still firm in your belief that Delhomme is making everyone around him incapable of blocking (run and pass) and getting open, then there is no hope.

So lets come up with more reason why it's not Jakes fault.

His dad didn't throw a football with him when he was young. He plays with contact and the pharmacy gave him the wrong pair which stop him from seeing the Defenders on the other teams in front of his WR. Anymore why it's not Jakes fault.

By the way he was sack 2 times in the Buc game 1 his fault the other Oline. But the point is he had time too throw a great running game going and he still threw 2 int's. Plus he only threw for 65 yards.

Cowboy game 2 int's 1 sack oline played good he still sucked.

[Khyber53]

They brought in Stewart because Fox prefers two good running backs as part of his offensive package. It's a power running game and rotating between two heavy hitters wears down a defense like nothing else can.

And to a prior post, Seifert did draft Smitty, but didn't do much with developing him, both as a player and a man. He's come a long ways to get to the top.

[koolkatluke]

They brought Stewart in cause Williams has so many miles on him already. He had the most all purpose yards in NCAA history, the most 100 yard rushing games, plus blew his knee out , so they wanted another quality back for insurance.

You get a 1st round back for insurance ? or as a replacement because you don't know what you have.

[Spike]

1. Is he a elite QB?

2. Is he a game manager QB?

3. What is the most Improtant thing in being a Game manager QB?

4. Why not start Matt Moore?

1. No

2. Sometimes, depending on the running game.

3. Limiting mistakes

4. Because Matt Moore is awful.

[3MTA3]

News Flash: Jake Is the best quarterback on the Carolina Panther's roster. He will be the starter for all the games unless there is an injury and he can't start.

[CRA]

1. No

2. Sometimes, depending on the running game.

3. Limiting mistakes

4. Because Matt Moore is awful.

as opposed to Jake has been worse than awful? I mean, the arguement is pretty easily made he has been the worst QB this season in the NFL. Factoring how bad he has been...plus how good of a situation surrounds him.

[bleys]

Ben is a top 5 QB and without a doubt better than Jake. However, I don't think the gap between the two is so great.....that the OL play from AZ forward is that great of an excuse for Jake's play. Sure, the OL could have played much better and hasn't made life as easy as it could have......but that doesn't justify again how horrific Jake has played. You can pin part on the OL, part on playcalling, part of the WR options....but the majority does imo still fall on the QB.

Jake has not made good decisions overall. His accuracy has flat out been horrible. If he isn't under-throwing the receiver, he's over-throwing him (which is ironic)...

But to say the OLine isn't a bigger issue is crazy. We have no run game. We have no pass protection. To ignore this as the biggest reason for rushed throws/bad decision making is something I cannot comprehend.

TB was the 1 game where Jake is to blame by himself. Those 2 picks were clearly all his fault. There have been times in other games where this has been the case.

But you cannot sit here and tell me Delhomme is flat out horrible and then say the gap between him and Big Ben is not that great. Your basis is that the gap is that great or else what are we sitting here talking about?

Ben keeps plays alive with a bad OLine because he's huge and scrambles like hell... That's a HUGE gap from what Delhomme and most other QBs can do. You do not see other QBs do what Ben does, so therefore the Gap is that much different. It's not just Jake that Ben makes look average...

So... yet again... I cannot comprehend how you all are coming up with this stuff. It's totally a contradiction of your other posts...

Yes, let me repeat. Jake has been bad at times where the OLine has managed to protect. But that has turned out to be more rare of an occasion than the OLine protecting.. Throw in no run game at all, and this is magnified..