4 Simple question for Jake defenders.

[panthers55]

it is crazy how some here are trying to shoot down matt moore, like he stole thier girls or something. you guys act like he was in the league for years when he came in. He was a UNDRAFTED ROOKIE who came into camp late that year. how many 1st round rookies even got to play that year, were even as good as him that year for that many games. you guys are acting like he should have come in and outright beat delhomme as a rookie! then the next year he gets hurt and this is his 3rd year. if you guys can find all these excuses for delhomme being in the bottom 3 for qbs, why not for matt moore a kid in his 3rd year not his 8th or 9th, and 3rd year not even starting.

The point is that people are saying he is the solution and that he will instantly be better. They are looking at 2 years ago and deciding how it is going to be now, based on that. For me if you aren't much better than who is in there now, you don't start. And for all the issues Jake has, I don't see Moore as better enough to justify starting.

If Feeley has a grasp of the system I would start him. I just don't know if he can make the transition from WCO to ours given he is the third stringer and gets very few reps.

[Nicbsbll2]

Garbage time is a QB's best friend. If you can't look good in garbage time, you're not very good. I'm not saying Jake should be in, but seriously some people need to bring their views of Matt Moore back down to earth.

Was the Seatle game garbage time? How about Dallas, garbage time too?

The garbage time I was referring to was at the end of games where we were already down by big margins. All the defense was doing was pinning their ears back and going after the QB.

[Jase]

Mesmer's point

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Your head

[Mesmer]

Was the Seatle game garbage time? How about Dallas, garbage time too?

The garbage time I was referring to was at the end of games where we were already down by big margins. All the defense was doing was pinning their ears back and going after the QB.

If you think that garbage time isn't good for a QB's stats, you need to reevaluate your position.

If there's anything I know about being a big FF guy, it's stat padding. If you think one team is going to get left behind on the scoreboard early, you think long and hard about their QB and the WR's in the passing game... because there's going to be a ton of worthless garbage time stats piling up there.

You can remember it however you want. But it doesn't change the fact that Moore has done absolutely nothing to suggest that he should be a starter.... even ahead of the lowly Jake Delhomme.

[King Taharqa]

How many people want to bet that Fox is keeping Matt Moore on the bench just to piss off the fans?

Anyone? Five to one odds? Anyone?

This is the NFL. A coach lives and dies by wins and losses. All this "loyalty" crap is just that, crap. In the cut throat business of NFL head coaching, you play to win, always, unless your career is over and you're just phoning it in.

And Fox isn't doing that. Neither is Delhomme. If you were able to fire John Fox, how long do you think he'd be unemployed? People were willing to give Mangini a shot... I mean, come on, Fox is very, very valuable in the available coaches pool. Al Davis would risk and anuerism to have him work magic on the Raiders like he did with the Panthers. Add the Browns, Texans, Jaguars, Chiefs, Bills and Rams to that list. Probably a couple more.

And Jake wouldn't be sitting at home unemployed next year either. Bet on it.

No one is bigger than the logo. NO ONE. Long after John Fox returns to where he needs to be DCing the Texans and Jake Delhomme retires to his million dollar horse stable (paid for by the PSL owners of Charlotte, NC) we'll still be here, still rooting for this team, still trying to convince our kids to root for them, still pumping dollars into this organization. This organization will NEVER win anything until it stops taking its fan for granted and treating them like 6 year olds who dont know poo about football. 3/4th of us were NFL fans before the Panthers even existed. No one cares if some other organization would hire Fox, another one hired Capers too. Should we have kept him too?

[carolinanimal]

The point is that people are saying he is the solution and that he will instantly be better. They are looking at 2 years ago and deciding how it is going to be now, based on that. For me if you aren't much better than who is in there now, you don't start. And for all the issues Jake has, I don't see Moore as better enough to justify starting.

If Feeley has a grasp of the system I would start him. I just don't know if he can make the transition from WCO to ours given he is the third stringer and gets very few reps.

matt moore is listed as #2 on the depth chart. so the people whose "opinion matters" thinks he is at least good enough to back up delhomme.

[carolinanimal]

If you think that garbage time isn't good for a QB's stats, you need to reevaluate your position.

If there's anything I know about being a big FF guy, it's stat padding. If you think one team is going to get left behind on the scoreboard early, you think long and hard about their QB and the WR's in the passing game... because there's going to be a ton of worthless garbage time stats piling up there.

You can remember it however you want. But it doesn't change the fact that Moore has done absolutely nothing to suggest that he should be a starter.... even ahead of the lowly Jake Delhomme.

so you think matt moore was thinking about his FF value when he came in? some games he came in and threw one hail mary pass and that was it. so you are judging him from that game.

also all you guys saying that people are looking back 2 years for matt, what are you guys looking back for delhomme, because it cant be anything this year.

[Mesmer]

Matt Moore's poor stats were being thrown aside as worthless because they came in garbage time. That's why I made a remark about how garbage time makes QB's look better than they really are. It's exactly the inverse with running backs. They generally look bad whenever their team gets blown out because they don't get any carries past like the first 10 minutes of the 1st quarter.

If Matt Moore was so awesome, his stats in garbage time would have been promising. And, everyone arguing for him start would be pointing to his amazing stats as to why. Unfortunately, it's just become a circus of excuses and it's beyond reason.

[monstercat]

Matt Moores' stats don't even matter. What matters is who the offensive players want at QB, and it's pretty clear that they want Delhomme.

[X-Clown]

Then we went with Moore, who looked good enough that no move was made in the offseason. Then we went into the next year and Moore turned out to be so bad that we signed McCown to play number two.

Logic would dictate that the reason we got McCown would have something to do with Moore breaking his leg in the preseason last year, since we traded a draft pick for McCown right after that happened.

[frash.exe]

Matt Moores' stats don't even matter. What matters is who the offensive players want at QB, and it's pretty clear that they want Delhomme.

it doesn't really matter to me because I don't think we have a starting QB on this roster, but the best option shouldn't be who the offensive players think they want.

[monstercat]

it doesn't really matter to me because I don't think we have a starting QB on this roster, but the best option shouldn't be who the offensive players think they want.

Huh? Who do you think are they gonna play harder for, a guy that want, or a guy they don't want? You must have missed it when players were quitting when Carr was under center.

[frash.exe]

Huh? Who do you think are they gonna play harder for, a guy that want, or a guy they don't want? You must have missed it when players were quitting when Carr was under center.

Really? Carr? Of course he isn't going to put confidence in anybody, he is awful. But of course you just had to somehow wedge Carr into this argument, didn't you. You know what would be more relevant? Comparing how the team played with Moore at the end of the season, and though I don't see him as a future starter I didn't see an ounce of quit in the team when he took the field.

it's really funny watching you try to justify his bad playing with "well that's who they want so game over"

[Catdaddy]

The bottom line is, If they had any faith in Matt Moore being our starter, they wouldn't keep bringing other journeymen quarterbacks and putting them at the backup spot!