4 Simple question for Jake defenders.

[Mesmer]

I agree he's not the only reason for our team's problems right now. The defense hasn't been amazing, ST have been pretty piss poor, and the running game was pretty pedestrian until last week's game.

However, as we learned in 2007... when your QB is terrible, it's a pretty big part of the reason for your team's failures.

[Fox007]

The only reason I defend Delhomme, is because he's not the only problem, yet he gets all the blame. Coaches have been expaining to reporters and fans for years that QB's always get too much blame and too much credit, but like sheep, fans continue to blame the QB first even if the WR's are not getting open or are cutting off their routes on critical plays, which have both happened several times this year, but most fans just ignore that part of it.

Hell, Delhomme even got blamed for that Atlanta game, when he actually played well enough to win it. The defense, ST's, and RB's (fumbling) did not hold up their end of the bargain that day at all, yet every other thread on this board was about how Delhomme lost the game.

poo i'd cut my routes off too with Jake throwing the ball. You seen how many times he's set up our WRs to get blown up?

He is so inaccurate it puts our WRs at risk.

They have to jump like Jordan, or run straight into the double coverage and get double stuck.

You are right though, Jake isn't the biggest problem, the biggest problem is Fox.

Fox is the tard who starts him, among other things.

[Cyberjag]

The whole point of practice and preseason is to see who the best option is at each position. Delhomme beat Moore easily in the eyes of everyone but the people who are pissed at him now.

And whoever said it was the OPINION that Jake is better than Moore, well you're right. But you neglect to note that the OPINION is that of people who know a hell of a lot more about winning football than all of us combined. I'll take their OPINION over yours or anyone's here in a Miami minute.

[koolkatluke]

Jake has put us in bad positions. So has special teams. So has Williams. So has Smitty.

More Jake then anyone and as a QB Jake knows it falls on him.(example) 1-15

Was not all wenkie but it follow him more then Rucker, minter , or Mogan and smith.

Nowhere in my comments did I say that he's performing well. That would be just stupid. But at the same time, suggesting he's a gunslinger is as well. He's never done that, although he often resembles one late in games when the score is close and he's on fire.

Not anymore last game they did everything too keep him handing off. That shows a lack of trust. I hold my breath when he drops back now and as a fan you shouldn't be afriad everytime your QB drops back.

Jake is a game manager QB. He's turning the ball over too much. We all know and agree on this. But the fact remains that he is still a better option than Moore and Feeley. I know this because the people who are paid to make these decisions and who have a track record of winning say so.

We didn't know that Jake would come in and play like he did when he took over for peete. Or did you know then too?

Would I like a Manning/Rivers/Brady under center? Of course! But we have who we have, and I hope the OC realizes what he can and can't do and starts calling plays accordingly.

Right now I would settle for Marc Bulger, Frave, Romo, Cassel, Pennington, and a host of other mid level QB. I wouldn't have said that before but Jakes play has change my opinion.

I'm also getting tired of the blame for jake sucking so much too going too other people. OC, Oline, WR, the running game. No it's Jake.

Big Ben = had the worst Oline last year = still won.

Brady = won 3 titles with so so wr and cast off RB.

Chad Pennington = won with DAN HENNING as his OC.

Reason why Jake is playing so bad Is Jake.

[PantherDude]

Nobody is worse in the pocket than Jake Delhomme. He's the rightful heir to the position from Steve Beurlein. So immobile it's ridiculous.

Almost anyone would be more mobile in the pocket than Jake. Of all the things there are to argue about, this one is pretty much settled.

So....are you saying David Carr & Chris Weinke are better? I'm sure they look pretty mobile during their early NFL starts. :prrr:

[carolinanimal]

The point is if you can't win the game for your team (elite QB).

As a game Manager you can't lose it.

You can't put your team in bad positions. Jake has done these things.

When you can't manage a game or Not turn the ball over you stop being a game manager and become a liability.

this.

to win if we have to "pare down the offense":rolleyes: and take the ball out of his hands, with someone who at 35 is not the future of this franchise , why cant we do this with moore, heck even cantwell, who might have a CHANCE, emphasis on chance to be that person?

[koolkatluke]

So....are you saying David Carr & Chris Weinke are better? I'm sure they look pretty mobile during their early NFL starts. :prrr:

Wenkie never looked Mobile even in college.

[carolinanimal]

The whole point of practice and preseason is to see who the best option is at each position. Delhomme beat Moore easily in the eyes of everyone but the people who are pissed at him now.

And whoever said it was the OPINION that Jake is better than Moore, well you're right. But you neglect to note that the OPINION is that of people who know a hell of a lot more about winning football than all of us combined. I'll take their OPINION over yours or anyone's here in a Miami minute.

so are you saying that because he is starting means he is the best? and that our fo never makes personnel mistakes?

[Cyberjag]

Right now I would settle for Marc Bulger, Frave, Romo, Cassel, Pennington, and a host of other mid level QB. I wouldn't have said that before but Jakes play has change my opinion.

I'm also getting tired of the blame for jake sucking so much too going too other people. OC, Oline, WR, the running game. No it's Jake.

Big Ben = had the worst Oline last year = still won.

Brady = won 3 titles with so so wr and cast off RB.

Chad Pennington = won with DAN HENNING as his OC.

Reason why Jake is playing so bad Is Jake.

The reason Jake is playing so bad is not just Jake, but he's certainly the biggest part of it. Still, if he had better protection and open receivers he would probably look a lot better out there. And no one is saying that he's playing well, you seem to think we are but we aren't.

Do you think that if he was replaced, the rest of the team would suddenly lift their play to all-pro levels? Would special teams suddenly become special? Would Williams gain consistency? Would Smith and Moose get open? Would Godfrey start covering better? Would the line suddenly start protecting better?

I would take a ton of QBs over Jake right now. Moore and Feeley aren't among them.

As far as the OC, consider this. You have a quarterback who's really lost his accuracy on long balls. He's throwing a lot of interceptions. He's getting sacked a lot. You also know that if you run the ball 90% of the time the defense will shut you down--you have to throw to keep them honest. So what kind of plays do you call? And are they what's being called now?

You can wish for Jake's benching all you want. But you can't change the fact that there are many other issues out there for the Panthers, and the people in charge believe he gives us the best chance to win. Maybe you should go root for the Saints or Falcons, or take the season off and tune in next year or after we start winning.

Your post isn't changing any minds.

[King Taharqa]

this.

to win if we have to "pare down the offense":rolleyes: and take the ball out of his hands, with someone who at 35 is not the future of this franchise , why cant we do this with moore, heck even cantwell, who might have a CHANCE, emphasis on chance to be that person?

Because those guys dont sell bo berry biscuits and dirty rice like Jake Delhomme. They also didnt come in at halftime of our game against Jacksonville in 03 and lead us to that magical comeback making us fall in love with #17 forever. Jake is the star of this show, if we have to hand the ball off 60 times and throw 2 passes, we'll do it. Anything to keep him out on the field. I said it in the offseason, the Panthers will be begging Jake Delhomme to play at age 40.

[Cyberjag]

this.

to win if we have to "pare down the offense":rolleyes: and take the ball out of his hands, with someone who at 35 is not the future of this franchise , why cant we do this with moore, heck even cantwell, who might have a CHANCE, emphasis on chance to be that person?

so are you saying that because he is starting means he is the best? and that our fo never makes personnel mistakes?

I'm saying that people who know more than you or I say that he's the best option we have right now. I can't change their minds, I'm not about to call them stupid (they've proven otherwise far too much), so all that's left is to discuss why they feel as they do. I sure wish they would do some things differently, and am frustrated that they're not, but if I was really qualified to make those sorts of decisions I reckon I would be making them.

Moore is not the answer. He couldn't beat out McCown, and they're so nervous about him having to play that they signed another veteran in Feeley in case Jake goes down. Doesn't that tell you ANYTHING about him? If we believed in him that much we would have promoted Cantwell.

[pstall]

Get a #3 WR to step up, Jake gets much better.

What is so complicated to gameplan against the Panthers?

I could cover Moose.

SS gets doubled and they stack tons of guys in the box and dare Jake to beat them. Moose isn't open. SS isn't open. Jarrett barely can find his helmet let alone get open.

I blame the lack of smart INGAME management more than anything else.

[Cyberjag]

Because those guys dont sell bo berry biscuits and dirty rice like Jake Delhomme. They also didnt come in at halftime of our game against Jacksonville in 03 and lead us to that magical comeback making us fall in love with #17 forever. Jake is the star of this show, if we have to hand the ball off 60 times and throw 2 passes, we'll do it. Anything to keep him out on the field. I said it in the offseason, the Panthers will be begging Jake Delhomme to play at age 40.

Bojangles? LOL, are you serious? Richardson could buy Bojangles with petty cash.

I like Jake and what he's done, but he's playing awful this year. Unless he improves a ton, this will probably be his last year.

[Nicbsbll2]

The whole point of practice and preseason is to see who the best option is at each position. Delhomme beat Moore easily in the eyes of everyone but the people who are pissed at him now.

And whoever said it was the OPINION that Jake is better than Moore, well you're right. But you neglect to note that the OPINION is that of people who know a hell of a lot more about winning football than all of us combined. I'll take their OPINION over yours or anyone's here in a Miami minute.

David Carr and Vinny Testaverde beat Matt Moore out in practice 2 years ago too. Remember how that turned out?