Poll: Players vs Coaching

[thefuzz]

Coaching, with a dabble of players mixed in for fun.

 

I put most of the blame on the coaching staff here, specifically Ron Rivera.

Since the kickoff of 2016, this team is 4 and 10 against our division rivals, including playoffs.

We are continuing to trot out the same "run the ball stop the run" nonsense for years on end.

We play a style of football that is both tired, and going against what the NFL has designed it's rules around.

Just like everyone else that was infected with Jerry Richardson's lackadaisical approach to winning, Ron too fell victim.  He doesn't coach to win the game, he coaches not to lose.  Far too rigid for todays NFL.

 

I, for one, don't want to hear another word about 2015, and the magical season that was.  That was a lifetime ago in the NFL, but for some reason, many of us are still referencing it.

[Manther]

2 hours ago, thefuzz said:

Coaching, with a dabble of players mixed in for fun.

 

I put most of the blame on the coaching staff here, specifically Ron Rivera.

Since the kickoff of 2016, this team is 10 and 4 against our division rivals, including playoffs.

We are continuing to trot out the same "run the ball stop the run" nonsense for years on end.

We play a style of football that is both tired, and going against what the NFL has designed it's rules around.

Just like everyone else that was infected with Jerry Richardson's lackadaisical approach to winning, Ron too fell victim.  He doesn't coach to win the game, he coaches not to lose.  Far too rigid for todays NFL.

 

I, for one, don't want to hear another word about 2015, and the magical season that was.  That was a lifetime ago in the NFL, but for some reason, many of us are still referencing it.

With Rivera at the helm, it feels like 2015 is the high water mark.  Looking back on those games, lady luck was very kind to us in some opportune moments in  the Packers, Saints, Seahawks, Colts and Giants games.  Even in games we dominated, Cam was threading needles and throwing into traffic regularly with little consequence.   Even then, I found myself saying Cam is going to get burned on that one day, but who cares, we're winning.  Well, then 2016 happened, and well, luck was not a lady anymore.  

[tiger7_88]

4 hours ago, thefuzz said:

Since the kickoff of 2016, this team is 10 and 4 against our division rivals, including playoffs.

I'm assuming you mean 4 and 10 here (i.e. W/L).

[Doc Holiday]

If anyone is being honest here it was 100% the players for losing the Redskins game, more specifically DJ Moore, if your answer is anything but that you are lying to yourself.

heck if DJ Moore only fumbles once we still win. Let that sink in.

Now for the offense and Defense struggling I’d say it’s about 50/50 coaches and players for various reasons. I won’t argue that.

[Icege]

6 hours ago, Eazy-E said:

I didn’t mean to create hostility with a simple poll and I am sorry people don’t like the fact that there are only two choices. 

I put the word “More” in the question for a reason. I am sure no one on this forum thinks that it is solely the players or coaches fault. That is why I asked who is “More” to blame. If you feel it is a dead 50/50 split then I am sorry there is not a “both” option. I am just trying to gauge which way the scale is tipping.

We all love tits and ass but you’d be lying if you said you’ve never been asked if you’re a tits or an ass man.

You're good mang! No hostility here, and like I said, if we don't like either choice we can just vote for neither and post our opinion.

And to the latter, definitely, but then you get those folks who respond that they prefer hips or legs.

Or feet.... Some folks love feet for whatever reason.

[Eazy-E]

1 hour ago, Icege said:

You're good mang! No hostility here, and like I said, if we don't like either choice we can just vote for neither and post our opinion.

And to the latter, definitely, but then you get those folks who respond that they prefer hips or legs.

Or feet.... Some folks love feet for whatever reason.

Just noticed you're in Charleston. I'm a bartender at The Alley downtown.

[TheSpecialJuan]

19 hours ago, Eazy-E said:

No it’s both or 50/50 bullshit. I just want to see where the majority of our fans stand with the current state of the Panthers and our struggles this season.

I personally feel coaching has been a much bigger issue across the board. Talent wise I would argue we are stronger at almost every position compared to last year. (Norwell and Williams being the major exceptions)

Sir Purr 

[Icege]

33 minutes ago, Eazy-E said:

Just noticed you're in Charleston. I'm a bartender at The Alley downtown.

Oh poo! I bartended for Osaka in NChs and managed the Folly rd location for 9yrs before moving into IT. Yall still got the Street Fighter 2 cabinet?

You know Vick/Sukhpreet? I think I might have ran into you during his moving away celebration when we went down there 

[thefuzz]

16 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

I'm assuming you mean 4 and 10 here (i.e. W/L).

Yes, of course...I thought about it as soon as I opened my computer this morning.  Changed it already.

Just awful...and with a franchise QB in your pocket.

4 and 10.

[bLACKpANTHER]

Coaches didn't throw 2 picks against the Falcons.

Coaches didn't blow coverages when in perfect position against the Falcons.

Coaches didn't fumble the ball 2x against the Skins.

[jfo89]

I think coaching on offense has been pretty good, other than some personnel decisions. Coaching on the defensive side has been substandard. 

The real problem is Riveras game management. 

 

[bigdavis]

On 10/16/2018 at 1:37 AM, Eazy-E said:

No it’s both or 50/50 bullshit. I just want to see where the majority of our fans stand with the current state of the Panthers and our struggles this season.

I personally feel coaching has been a much bigger issue across the board. Talent wise I would argue we are stronger at almost every position compared to last year. (Norwell and Williams being the major exceptions)

I think Van Roten has been every bit as solid as Norwell was.  Same goes for Moton over Williams.  So, by your logic, it has to be coaching.  And, IMO, that's not only play selection, but more on which players are on the field, and how they're utilized.  With Olsen back, our skill players on Offense should easily be generating over 30 points a game.