We didn't lose because of Cam, Luke, or Coaching

[LA_Panther]

On 10/15/2018 at 10:31 AM, Newtcase said:

Anyone that's willing to overlook three failed attempts to gain 5 yards in a game winning situation is willfully putting the blinders on.

This

We made mistakes bla bla bla ... but at the end, we had a chance to win the game. You don't get 5 yards in 3 attempts, there is something wrong somewhere. 

[Darvinsun]

Yes Cam should have thrown ball better, but why were we throwing on all 3 downs anyways only needing 5 yrs. I trust Cams legs more so than his arms and with the pressure Cam had been getting a RPO play or having 2 rb and motioning CMC out would have been a good play for the first. To me Coaching lost this game yes Cam missed CMC and 2 turnovers by DJ, but do errors had been neutralized. Cams was magnified even tho he got us in position by passing. When we needed only 5 yrs coaching and Cam got greedy instead of securing the 1st down assuming Redskins would not fix the problem and rerun same play was a very risky and it led to their demise..Bad coaching a.nd in sad that Cam just didnt use his legs knowing how our Wrs catch I would have rather a run/pass option. I think Norv got to smart for his own good. 

[chknwing]

Carolina lost because Washington played better.  Carolina had beaten them 5 straight times.  Maybe, just maybe, they had a little extra motivation.

[Jon Snow]

They pick a bad day to have a bad day.

[JB82887]

On 10/15/2018 at 1:20 PM, TN05 said:

We lost because we made mistakes early. That's it. You don't win against Alex Smith when you go down 17-0. Alex Smith doesn't make mistakes that let you come back very often. The fact of the matter is, if DJ Moore doesn't fumble twice we win, and we nearly won even with that.

We had three turnovers and only allowed 23 points. That's not bad. We had three drives in the second half and scored on two of them and nearly on the third. That's about as good as you can get. The sky isn't falling. We just have to stop turning the ball over.

Does this mean there's no issues with coaching or performance? Of course not. We should have went for it on fourth and one. We should have been more aggressive early. Eric Reid shouldn't have blown coverage. Curtis Samuel and CJ Anderson should have had more time. But that's not why we lost: we lost because of turnovers. And that's fixable.

If DJ Moore doesn’t fumble twice, we win that game similarly to the Cincinnati game.  Each game will provide fluke plays and you have to eliminate that variable by taking a gamble that your players are superior.  We didn’t, and their coaching staff did and capitalized by converting where we were afraid to try.  The game plan would’ve worked to perfection of variables were removed, but they can’t be.  That said, we have to - as Mick Mixin would say - put the ball in the ample hands of our playmakers.

[panthers1234]

On 10/15/2018 at 4:07 PM, PantherPhann89 said:

I agree and disagree. I agree that the turnovers put us in a bad position early,  but i don't agree that it's the reason we lost. I believe that primarily,  we lost because of poor execution in all phases of the game, in conjunction with passive playcalling. 

Honestly not really a good way to put it. I mean you can say that for just about every loss. If you had to rank the reason we lost

1) Turnovers - Major factor (huge point swings and momentum killer)

2) Coaching/Cam/Players - Minor to avg - every game theres going to be mistakes from these positions you look across the NFL and theres going to be a ton of mistakes from coaching qb and other players. nothing really stood out as man they Really fugged up super bad. The only super bad things were the turnovers. 

The key is mistakes are constant in this league from everyone. As long as you make more plays and less mistakes than the other team you will probably win the game

[Mvp2014]

On ‎10‎/‎15‎/‎2018 at 1:33 PM, PantherBrew said:

The biggest mistake by Alex Smith put the game out of reach.  The strip-fumble gained them 8 yards and put them into FG range. 

Cant make that poo up.  I was literally laughing like a crazy person. 

We've all been there.

[Mr. Scot]

I really hate when people try to blame losses either totally or primarily on a single factor.

It's never just one thing.

So Moore fumbles...Well, maybe if the defense did a better job after those fumbles the Redskins don't score.  Maybe if we manage to stop the Redskins enough to get more than three possessions in the second half we get more points.  Maybe if the offense doesn't fail on that final drive we come away with another nail biter win rather than a painful loss.

Yes it was Cam's fault, and Luke's, and Rivera's, and Norv Turner's, and Trai Turner's, and Scott Turner's, Christian McCaffrey's, and Thomas Davis's, and Chris Clark's, and Graham Gano's, and everybody else's if they played or coached in this game.

When the team wins, everybody from the quarterback down to the special teamers gets credit because it's a team effort.  When the team's effort isn't good enough to win, everybody gets blame because a thousand different things could have been done differently at any point in the game that could have made a difference.

That's football.

 

[ncsfinest21]

When I look at reason why something happened, I look at the source. What started us having to play a style we didnt want to play. It was because of the turnovers. It changed our gameplan so much, that the run game was non existent. Being down 17-0 before half is a big deal. Especially with Alex milk the clock smith. It allowed them to just kill POS. Even if DJ held on to one of the two fumbles we would've won. CMC wouldve got more carries, there wouldve been more balance in the offense. Now if no turnovers were committed and that last drive happened then you really got to put it on the inexperience of the oline. The oline has been great except that last couple plays. Also we could really put it on Olsen too. He didnt complete that catch. Also, if the turnovers didnt happen they wouldnt have played as methodical as they played. It changed the whole game plan for both teams. But defensive isnt right right now. They have been gashed with rushing yards this year. Allowing 3 100 yd rushing games in a row after literally holding runners to under 100 for a good streak of games.

[Jon Snow]

For those that say " if we didn't have 3 turnovers we would have won" you can't honestly say that is a fact.  There's no guarantee that the outcome would have been any different.   There are too many variables that can determine the outcome.  If you could hypothetically go back in time and change the outcome of one event then everything from that point forward is altered.  There's no way to predict what happens next.  Every sequence of events that happens after is unknown and unpredictable.  It's just not that simple.

[PantherPhann89]

13 hours ago, panthers1234 said:

Honestly not really a good way to put it. I mean you can say that for just about every loss. If you had to rank the reason we lost

1) Turnovers - Major factor (huge point swings and momentum killer)

2) Coaching/Cam/Players - Minor to avg - every game theres going to be mistakes from these positions you look across the NFL and theres going to be a ton of mistakes from coaching qb and other players. nothing really stood out as man they Really fugged up super bad. The only super bad things were the turnovers. 

The key is mistakes are constant in this league from everyone. As long as you make more plays and less mistakes than the other team you will probably win the game

Yes you can basically say what we both said about almost every game. However, even with the early turnovers, in this game, we still could've and should've won the game. There were a lot of things that went wrong, but what I'm pointing the finger at, is poor execution and play calling. Either way,  we lost to a team that we should've beat. Hopefully we get it together and make a run.