Eric Reid

[PantherOnTheProwl1523]

58 minutes ago, CatTower said:

“It’s bittersweet,” Reid said. “I won the game, but Colin is at home with my kids. He should be playing.”

http://theundefeated.com/features/eric-reid-on-kaepernick-colin-is-at-home-with-my-kids-he-should-be-playing/

 

 

“As we said, when we started, Colin and I, said: ‘Nothing will change unless you talk about it,’ so we’re going to continue to talk about it. We’re going to continue to hold America accountable to the standard it says on paper, that we’re all created equal, because it’s not that way — but we’re going to keep pushing forward.”

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/10/1/17924640/eric-reid-panthers-press-conference-video-colin-kaepernick

 

I could go on and on.

 

This guy brings up one article and that's supposed to prove his point?  This board is way too gullible and I'm done doing your research for you.

Reid didn't screw his career up unlike Kaepernick because he made his own choice to pretty much walk out on his team and the NFL.  He could have accepted a back-up QB position and still be on a team playing football but that wasn't good enough for him.

[CatTower]

If you asked Reid if he'd rather win the Superbowl or get on National TV and talk about his causes, which one do you think he chooses?   Now, if you asked the rest of the team, which one do you think they choose?

[rodeo]

24 minutes ago, CatTower said:

If you asked Reid if he'd rather win the Superbowl or get on National TV and talk about his causes, which one do you think he chooses?   Now, if you asked the rest of the team, which one do you think they choose?

he would say the Super Bowl would give a lot of visibility to his cause so Super Bowl all the way

[micnificent28]

2 hours ago, CatTower said:

If you asked Reid if he'd rather win the Superbowl or get on National TV and talk about his causes, which one do you think he chooses?   Now, if you asked the rest of the team, which one do you think they choose?

You might have to find a new team because most players are glad he is here and even cam has said he supports Reid off the field and is glad he is his teammate. There is no division. What’s right is right and once you accept that u move on. Eric Reid is only saying a lot of unarmed black men are being gunned down by police and that’s not right. 

In which case I think he is right... it’s not a stance against black or white but drawing a line at police using more lethal force than nessesary and should be held accountable. Once you accept that and look at the evidence, there is nothing left to talk about. Play football.

[KSpan]

2 hours ago, CatTower said:

Basically, you aren't going to agree to my point unless I'm an actual Panther player in the lockerroom.  Sometimes, you have to use logic to figure out things such as this.  How you don't see a guy more interested in protesting than winning a game is not a distraction is foreign to me.

This makes zero logical sense. How is it illogical to take the position that the best way to determine whether players feel divided or not would be a player source? What you're basically saying is that someone either has to agree with your point, which has zero factual backing, or base an opinion on actually-available information and be wrong. In this discussion your opinion that he is more interested in protesting than playing, that his protest has garnered more than minimal interest/attention since the first week, and/or that his performance has not been worse than the players on the field before him is all that you are offering to support your position and that's not how you're going to change anyone's perspective. Has his presence here caused any more controversy than Cam's comments leading up to the Super Bowl? Was Cam more interested in that at that time than in playing football?

If there was some kind of source that backed up what you are saying then yes, I would absolutely consider it and weigh the facts accordingly. As of now though there are numerous accounts of the team being open to him and the opinion of a random stranger on the internet carries as much weight for me as it would for you in the same situation. Please feel free to share actual information if you have any as I and many other Panthers fans would be interested in seeing/hearing it.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000969792/article/cam-panthers-accepting-eric-reid-with-open-arms

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In the mind of Carolina Panthers quarterback Cam Newton, ask not what newly signed safety Eric Reid might or might not do before Sunday’s game against the Giants, but instead what he’ll do during it.

“I can’t speak on, and I won’t speak on anything other than him being here as a Carolina Panther,” Newton said Wednesday. “I think it was the right move, being that (starting safety Da’Norris Searcy) went down.

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“Everything outside of football, I’m pretty sure as the teammate that I’ve always been, I’m going to stand by him,” Newton said. He added later in his press conference that by no means did he consider Reid’s off-the-field views and actions “a distraction.”

“I don’t know where you keep getting this from,” Newton laughed. “Whatever happened in the past, that happened. We know he’s going to be an impact player for us, and that’s all I care about. All of that other stuff, y’all can write.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article219423720.html

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In the mind of Carolina Panthers quarterback Cam Newton, ask not what newly signed safety Eric Reid might or might not do before Sunday’s game against the Giants, but instead what he’ll do during it.

“I can’t speak on, and I won’t speak on anything other than him being here as a Carolina Panther,” Newton said Wednesday. “I think it was the right move, being that (starting safety Da’Norris Searcy) went down.

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“Everything outside of football, I’m pretty sure as the teammate that I’ve always been, I’m going to stand by him,” Newton said. He added later in his press conference that by no means did he consider Reid’s off-the-field views and actions “a distraction.”

“I don’t know where you keep getting this from,” Newton laughed. “Whatever happened in the past, that happened. We know he’s going to be an impact player for us, and that’s all I care about. All of that other stuff, y’all can write.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2800201-ron-rivera-says-eric-reid-kneeling-for-national-anthem-is-not-an-issue

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Carolina Panthers head coach Ron Rivera reiterated on Wednesday he's not concerned with recently signed safety Eric Reid kneeling during the United States national anthem because it's a First Amendment right, not a football issue. 

Les Carpenter of the Washington Post provided Rivera's response when asked about the situation on a conference call ahead of the Panthers' Week 6 game against the Washington Redskins on Sunday.

"The biggest reason it's not an issue to me is because I believe in the First Amendment and that's all he did was he exercised his First Amendment," he said.

 

[KSpan]

Edit: deleted. Somehow double-posted.

[CatTower]

What player in their right mind is going to condemn Reid even if they disagree?????  LMAO

[KSpan]

1 hour ago, CatTower said:

What player in their right mind is going to condemn Reid even if they disagree?????  LMAO

That goes the other way too - what front office and coach, known for having an accurate pulse of the locker room, in their right mind would decide to sign him if there was any kind of suspicion that the locker room wasn't going to accept him?

Bottom line is that your stance appears to be an opinion, nothing more. Disagree as you wish.

[Everfrost]

None of this crap is going matter anyway. If dude doesn't start playing lights out soon he will be back on the couch with kap and the kids watching next year.

[CatTower]

2 hours ago, KSpan said:

That goes the other way too - what front office and coach, known for having an accurate pulse of the locker room, in their right mind would decide to sign him if there was any kind of suspicion that the locker room wasn't going to accept him?

Bottom line is that your stance appears to be an opinion, nothing more. Disagree as you wish.

"the difference between facts and opinions is that factual statements are uncontroversial. But this answer doesn’t seem right either, since it would make it audience-relative whether something is a fact: for example, “the earth revolves around the sun” would be a fact for modern Europeans but not for medieval ones; “God created the earth” would be a fact for believers but not for sceptics; “The earth is flat” would be a fact for Flat-Earthers but not for the rest of us. How useful would the fact/opinion distinction be if any statement could count as either one, depending on who hears it?"

 

https://www.philosophersmag.com/essays/26-the-fact-opinion-distinction

[KSpan]

3 hours ago, CatTower said:

"the difference between facts and opinions is that factual statements are uncontroversial. But this answer doesn’t seem right either, since it would make it audience-relative whether something is a fact: for example, “the earth revolves around the sun” would be a fact for modern Europeans but not for medieval ones; “God created the earth” would be a fact for believers but not for sceptics; “The earth is flat” would be a fact for Flat-Earthers but not for the rest of us. How useful would the fact/opinion distinction be if any statement could count as either one, depending on who hears it?"

 

https://www.philosophersmag.com/essays/26-the-fact-opinion-distinction

As the position of 'not causing a distraction' is supported at this time by actual statements and the thought that he is currently a distraction has nothing to back it up, are you comparing the latter to antiquated and unsupported theory?

[CatTower]

3 minutes ago, KSpan said:

As my position is based on actual statements and you have presented nothing to back yours up, are you comparing yours to antiquated and disproven nonsense?

Is June of 2018 antiquated already?  You don't think some of these players agree with fans or are we just going to live in make believe world?

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Why? The NFL has never grasped the reality of the damage the National Anthem protests by its players has had on the league, and its recent cockamamie attempt to fix the problem will not bring back fans or television viewers.

This is confirmed by the fact that the NFL has never been less popular in recent times: just 35% say they have a favorable view of the NFL, according to a survey released yesterday, down from 57% last August. Any business can increase revenue while its brand is being diminished. Indeed, in the non-sports world companies often knowingly (blindly?) sacrifice their brand for short-term profits. Happens every day. Then the brand and business collapse."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2018/06/02/nfl-sale-prices-being-hurt-by-leagues-declining-popularity/#6da4edd87e94

 

[iamhubby1]

15 minutes ago, CatTower said:

Is June of 2018 antiquated already?  You don't think some of these players agree with fans or are we just going to live in make believe world?

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Why? The NFL has never grasped the reality of the damage the National Anthem protests by its players has had on the league, and its recent cockamamie attempt to fix the problem will not bring back fans or television viewers.

This is confirmed by the fact that the NFL has never been less popular in recent times: just 35% say they have a favorable view of the NFL, according to a survey released yesterday, down from 57% last August. Any business can increase revenue while its brand is being diminished. Indeed, in the non-sports world companies often knowingly (blindly?) sacrifice their brand for short-term profits. Happens every day. Then the brand and business collapse."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2018/06/02/nfl-sale-prices-being-hurt-by-leagues-declining-popularity/#6da4edd87e94

 

 

    Sorry to burst your bubble. But according to Joe Buck. The NFL is once again racking up the ratings. So...once again, your outdated information is now...wrong.

[ickmule]

On 10/19/2018 at 12:19 AM, Car123 said:

How do you know? You haven't watched a Panthers game in over a year.

Real world experience.  You can’t stop that kind of thing from happening.