“Am I watching the same team as y’all” Part 2 (message for the homers edition)

[*FreeFua*]

1 minute ago, Doc Holiday said:

 

you really put Dan Quinn up there? lol the other 4 I'd say they are better than Rivera, in part because they all have championships, a few of them have many, but Dan Quinn? really had to search pretty hard if you felt the need to include him lol

Search? Do I need to show you how to use a chart?

Yeah the fact that even Dan Quinn has a better winning % against playoff teams than Rivera should open your eyes if you want to “lol” at Dan Quinn...

He too has also been to a Super Bowl so I guess that means he’s definitely capable of winning one if that’s the logic we’re using now

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

Ron will never win a super bowl.

This team is the same team as last year: wild card fodder. People are ok with that it seems!

[carpanfan96]

Since 2001 only one team in the NFL has a winning record vs playoff teams. 

 

The Patriots at 51-31... next closest team is 43-46 as of last year. 

 

So basically what your saying is that all NFL coaches suck against playoff teams except for one..  

 

Well that's just plain dumb. 

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

Since 2001 only one team in the NFL has a winning record vs playoff teams. 

 

The Patriots at 51-31... next closest team is 43-46 as of last year. 

 

So basically what your saying is that all NFL coaches suck against playoff teams except for one..  

 

Well that's just plain dumb. 

 

[pantherphan96]

I don't know how you could watch this team for the past 5+ years and not see coaching decisions and situations in which Rivera's conservative philosophy has cost this team wins or almost cost the team wins. His reluctance to make adjustments and his deference to starting veteran players to the detriment of the team overall has cost us wins and the potential for back-to-back winning seasons earlier. 

[t96]

28 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Um...

Remind me which year Sean Payton became coach of the Saints and then tell me why you decided to start at the year 2011. 

If you don’t even know what year Payton became head coach then who knows what else you’re wrong about...

Are we just throwing out all his numbers prior to 2011 because it helps fit your argument orrrrrrr

We’re comparing Rivera to these coaches, what matters is how they compare while they’ve both been in the league as HCs competing against each other.

[t96]

6 minutes ago, pantherphan96 said:

I don't know how you could watch this team for the past 5+ years and not see coaching decisions and situations in which Rivera's conservative philosophy has cost this team wins or almost cost the team wins. His reluctance to make adjustments and his deference to starting veteran players to the detriment of the team overall has cost us wins and the potential for back-to-back winning seasons earlier. 

And how many times has his conservative philosophy won us games? Every HC makes mistakes that contribute to losses. Every single one. And yes, multiple times and over and over again. 

[*FreeFua*]

4 minutes ago, t96 said:

We’re comparing Rivera to these coaches, what matters is how they compare while they’ve both been in the league competing against each other.

Um no...

A coach’s winning percentage is his winning percentage during his entire duration of being a head coach not just since Rivera’s been around 

[Doc Holiday]

4 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Search? Do I need to show you how to use a chart?

Yeah the fact that even Dan Quinn has a better winning % against playoff teams than Rivera should open your eyes if you want to “lol” at Dan Quinn...

He too has also been to a Super Bowl so I guess that means he’s definitely capable of winning one if that’s the logic we’re using now

For now, Dan quinn has a better record for now lol. you do realize this is just his 4th season as a head coach right? and in case you havent been paying attention those numbers are about to get a bit worse after this season.

Now lets look at Rivera's Record versus those other coaches you listed

Rivera Vs 

Bill Belichick 2 - 0

Pete Carroll 2-6 (rivera has won 2 of the last 3 games though including a playoff, we all know of this rivalry)

Mike Tomlin 0-1 we've only played them once under Rivera(we play them again this year)

Sean Payton 7-8 (before last year he was 7-5)(Panthers own overall series 24-23)

I will just leave that there.

[saints4lifeagain]

42 minutes ago, t96 said:

Even still:

16-26 for Payton .381

15-24-1 for Rivera .3875

 

See above, I'm not going to go through all these guys but from the numbers already given in this thread, Rivera is better than Payton, and if you were wrong on that you certainly could be on others as well. And Arians isn't even in the league any more. Even if the others are right, that is just 6 active coaches ahead of Rivera.... 

Wasn't making a point either way, was just saying.

[*FreeFua*]

13 minutes ago, Doc Holiday said:

For now, Dan quinn has a better record for now lol. you do realize this is just his 4th season as a head coach right? and in case you havent been paying attention those numbers are about to get a bit worse after this season.

Now lets look at Rivera's Record versus those other coaches you listed

Rivera Vs 

Bill Belichick 2 - 0

Pete Carroll 2-6 (rivera has won 2 of the last 3 games though including a playoff, we all know of this rivalry)

Mike Tomlin 0-1 we've only played them once under Rivera(we play them again this year)

Sean Payton 7-8 (before last year he was 7-5)(Panthers own overall series 24-23)

I will just leave that there.

He’s 5-8 against Sean Payton and considering Payton is in our division... that doesn’t bode well for us

I love these little spins you’re putting at the end of each record. Like Carroll has never beaten Ron in the playoffs...

 

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, t96 said:

You're the one trying to make an argument that Rivera CAN'T win a Super Bowl. That is completely ridiculous. I'm not saying he WILL win one, but that there is no reason to think that he's incapable of winning one. It's on you to actually provide some kind of reasonable and logical argument based on objective facts that support your argument because you're the one trying to make the point. You've yet to provide anything resembling that whatsoever. 

And here I am having to rehash this all over again 

Didn't say he can't. Said he hasn't proven it yet. And yes, his having blown the shot he did get is an objective fact.

[Doc Holiday]

29 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

He’s 5-8 against Sean Payton and considering Payton is in our division... that doesn’t bode well for us

I love these little spins you’re putting at the end of each record. Like Carroll has never beaten Ron in the playoffs...

 

Dude seriously what is your problem? since 2011 (rivera's first year) we 7-8 against the saints end of story there.

I'm honestly tired with the insistent BS of this entire conversation. it started about overall record of the last 5-6 years(recent history) which you still havent address, no your gifs dont count, and now youve been doing nothing but cherry picking to try and prove something that isnt true.

why dont you look at his overall record for the last 5 years like I mentioned originally? you know because its something that cant be argued, and is concrete. becuase your record is what it is right? all the other BS aside your record is the only thing that matters.

Youve been avoiding it because it destorys your fuging argument!!! so since you have been avoiding it the entire damn time I will bring it up for you!!!

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/trends/win_trends/?range=yearly_since_2013

end fuging argument end fuging thread. You cant argue or disprove that. 

Panthers are #5 overall in the NFL over the last 5-6 seasons under Rivera. 

Good fuging night. Thank you!

And I will do you one better, if you want to go all the way back to Rivera's first season he is #7 overall in wins since coming to carolina. 

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/trends/win_trends/?range=yearly_since_2011

(please note that both Atlanta and New Orleans are below in since 2011 category)

But hey lets fire a top 5 coach in the NFL(based on overall record from the last 5 years). yeah because they totally grow on trees.

/THREAD

[KillaCamNewton]

So take away the Saints last year and we went 4-2 against playoff teams. Those include the two teams that were in the super bowl, two games against a team that should have won the previous super bowl, and the team (Vikings) that were the popular pick to win the Super Bowl. Ill even throw the Packers in there because we played them with Rodgers and the Packers probably make the playoffs last year if he doesnt miss half the season.

 

so again, take away the Saints who are a terrible matchup for us and we went 11-3 with 5 games against elite teams. That was with Matt Kalil playing LT, Shula running the offense, half the season of trotting fatass KB out at receiver, and the other half with the likes of Kaelin Clay, Brenton Bersin lining up. Oh yeah, and Greg missed half the year too. 

 

We are better at every position this year except for the DLine, which is essentially the same group other than switching out Star for Poe which is a wash but Pep is another year older so I’ll say we’ve gotten worse. Cam is healthy, we have an actual offensive coordinator, we dont have Kalil or Silatulo on the field, we have actual receivers, and actually have youth and speed in the secondary. So let’s chill on hitting the panic button