Ron on the Hot Seat

[Pantherxtreme]

2 minutes ago, Fox007 said:

Yup and we're talking coaches. Brees wouldn't be the soon to be all time leading passer in NFL history if Ron Rivera was their coach.

Cam on the other hand.....would have even more HoF worthy stats if Payton was his HC....it'd be more than his rushing and his HC holding him back on passing.

I mean if you wanna argue that Payton is a better offensive mind in football than Rivera you got no argument out of me there. 

 

[Fox007]

3 minutes ago, Pantherxtreme said:

I mean if you wanna argue that Payton is a better offensive mind in football than Rivera you got no argument out of me there. 

 

So what Rivera is a genius on D? 

Remind me which team actually beat Peyton Manning in the SB?

one was from an offensive minded HC vs Manning in his prime.

The other was vs Manning with his crippled neck and he couldn't throw the damn ball with a defensive HC.

Saints held the Colts to 17 fuging points and had a pick 6 lol....

Rivera accounts for fugin nothing. 

[Sasquatch]

6 hours ago, Pantherxtreme said:

 this should be a moot point. 

[Pantherxtreme]

1 minute ago, Fox007 said:

So what Rivera is a genius?

Remind me which team actually beat Peyton Manning in the SB?

one was from an offensive minded HC vs Manning in his prime.

The other was vs Manning with his crippled neck and he couldn't throw the damn ball with a defensive HC.

Saints held the Colts to 17 fuging points and had a pick 6 lol....

Rivera accounts for fugin nothing. 

Denver could have ran the wildcat all game against us and left Manning on the bench and probably still won that game, Wade Phillips ate Mike Shula's lunch as did Von Miller to Remmers.

Sean Payton does have a Super Bowl ring and Rivera does not. None of that will be relevant to who wins the NFC South this season though. 

[Sam Mills Fan]

1 hour ago, Fox007 said:

Sean Payton is another easy one, if you wouldn't take him over Rivera then lul discredited.

Lul Sean Payton has never done a thing without Drew Brees, was 7-9 three times in a row before 2017 WITH Drew Brees, and was behind Bountygate so lul I wouldn't take him.

[Fox007]

1 minute ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

Lul Sean Payton has never done a thing without Drew Brees, was 7-9 three times in a row before 2017 WITH Drew Brees, and was behind Bountygate so lul I wouldn't take him.

Rivera hasn't done a thing at all. And that's with Cam and Luke. So lul yea you would.

[Fox007]

3 minutes ago, Pantherxtreme said:

Denver could have ran the wildcat all game against us and left Manning on the bench and probably still won that game, Wade Phillips ate Mike Shula's lunch as did Von Miller to Remmers.

Sean Payton does have a Super Bowl ring and Rivera does not. None of that will be relevant to who wins the NFC South this season though. 

Yea that's a testament to an actual DC/coach that can shut something down. If they could have ran the wildcat all game and still have won the game then you agree Rivera counts for nothing and can't stop nothing.

Rivera kept Shula even as the MIGHTY Charlotte media called that into question...in other words. EVERYONE knew he was a problem but Rivera. That's on Rivera.

[Sam Mills Fan]

2 minutes ago, Fox007 said:

Rivera hasn't done a thing at all. And that's with Cam and Luke. So lul yea you would.

I would rather have Drew Brees than Cam and Luke (and that's not a slight against them please people reread this and reread it again...it's not a slight). Brees is probably the best quarterback of the modern era behind only Brady and Manning and you could argue he's better than Peyton Manning. I think he's better than Aaron Rodgers too.

[Fox007]

Just now, Sam Mills Fan said:

I would rather have Drew Brees than Cam and Luke (and that's not a slight against them please people reread this and reread it again...it's not a slight). Brees is probably the best quarterback of the modern era behind only Brady and Manning and you could argue he's better than Peyton Manning. I think he's better than Aaron Rodgers too.

Even as we hate the Saints no one can say Brees isn't what he is. But he also wasn't the Brees we know before he got to NO. It goes hand in hand like with the Brady/Belichick argument.

Brady was nothing either before Belichick and the Pats were on the way to the SB before Drew Bledsoe got hurt and Drew was playing well and probably would have won the SB too. Brady was a backup Brees was an injured unknown with potential. If either of those guys were in other situations or kept on the bench....

They go hand in hand but with Rivera he keeps Cam under the thumb and isn't trying to go hand in hand with his stud QB.

[MillionDollarCam]

Sean Payton has also accumulated exactly one Super Bowl win in his 11 year career while having Drew Brees for all 11. Brees will go down as one of the greatest quarterbacks ever while Payton has also missed the playoffs with him nearly half of his entire career. 

Payton has been coaching four years longer than Rivera and has ONE Super Bowl Win with Brees... It ain’t easy to win Super Bowls.

This fan base doesn’t get it.

[Fox007]

4 minutes ago, MillionDollarCam said:

Sean Payton has also accumulated exactly one Super Bowl win in his 11 year career while having Drew Brees for all 11. Brees will go down as one of the greatest quarterbacks ever while Payton has also missed the playoffs with him nearly half of his entire career. 

Payton has been coaching four years longer than Rivera and has ONE Super Bowl Win with Brees... It ain’t easy to win Super Bowls.

This fan base doesn’t get it.

Actually you don't get it and you are arguing against yourself actually.

"it's hard to win the SB look these better coaches and players only got ONE"

Yea we have none and we have a worse HC. To make it EASIER to win that HARD TO GET SB we are gonna want to improve our chances by getting a better HC. Since it's so hard to win the big one even with the good coaches with all time QBs we def need to upgrade.

[Everfrost]

I call bullshit 

Maybe he wants someone else but with this record and the way this team plays for him. His seat is cold as ice and safe.

[Fox007]

Just now, Everfrost said:

I call bullshit 

Maybe he wants someone else but with this record and the way this team plays for him. His seat is cold as ice and safe.

Jeremy likes to stir poo up(he's paying me)

[MillionDollarCam]

24 minutes ago, Fox007 said:

Actually you don't get it and you are arguing against yourself actually.

"it's hard to win the SB look these better coaches and players only got ONE"

Yea we have none and we have a worse HC. To make it EASIER to win that HARD TO GET SB we are gonna want to improve our chances by getting a better HC. Since it's so hard to win the big one even with the good coaches with all time QBs we def need to upgrade.

I actually don’t think you are getting it.

You can’t improve your chances if you aren’t in the playoffs... something that’s not guaranteed if you go after a new coach. Something that Rivera has done more times than all but six NFL coaches in the last five years.

Payton didn’t even give the Saints a CHANCE for three straight years while having one of the best QB’s in NFL history.