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Its time to fire Rivera

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TheCasillas Grand Master

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3 minutes ago, Chardee MacDennis said:

It's about coming out for each and every game prepared and focused and ready to dominate the opponent, run the score up, and never let off the gas. Win every game by 40. Have plan A, B, C and D ready to be rolled out in game and changed if necessary.

At least you have attainable expectations.

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Well put Chardee.  I agree 100%.  I actually like the "person" of Rivera for the reasons you stated.  I just don't think he is a NFL head coach.  Possible defensive coordinator again at some point, but like you stated, an NFL head coach needs to come out shooting fire every week and he just doesn't do that.

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2 minutes ago, Gladniator1 said:

I think his point was more like "

 

 

It's knuckle headed to think NFL coaches come into games thinking "we need to win by 2."

Imagine being a HC coming into every game thinking we are going to win by 40 and lose by 25. That happens, but not to us.

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5 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

It's knuckle headed to think NFL coaches come into games thinking "we need to win by 2."

Imagine being a HC coming into every game thinking we are going to win by 40 and lose by 25. That happens, but not to us.

The thing is, Ron plays to win by 2. With that type of play you’re banking on a couple lucky bounces going your way when you don’t need to.

It’s sh!t like coming out after a big interception and running the ball when it hasn’t been working all day instead of going for the kill. Eventually setting up a 3rd and long...

We saw the same sh!t with Shula so I’m beginning to think this is more on Ron than the OC’s. It’s a real problem that always ends up biting us in the ass when it counts the most. The Giants are an AWFUL team there was no reason whatsoever to make that game as close as it was

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8 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

It’s sh!t like coming out after a big interception and running the ball when it hasn’t been working all day instead of going for the kill. Eventually setting up a 3rd and long...

Was this the 3rd and long that CMC was wide open across the middle of the field for a big gain?

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55 minutes ago, Gladniator1 said:

I think a lot of the people defending Rivera aren't looking at it correctly, on multiple issues at that.  The relevant question is:

Are the Carolina Panthers better or worse with Rivera as head coach?

Personally, I feel they are worse.  Other coaches could do much better with the fundamental aspects of a head coaches responsibility on game day such as clock management, player selection (D.J. Moore should be out there most every play) and motivation (he lets the players do that).

Where the defenders get it wrong is with the 2 arguments regarding our record and about players messing up.

True, our record is 3-1.  Barely.  We have Cam Newton and Luke Kuechly on each side of the ball along with a great supporting cast (with Gano giving us a win as well).  The players got us to 3-1.  Rivera sure as heck didn't pull out any great "coach moves" that left everyone going Wow!  Mostly, his calls left us scratching our heads and going Wtf?  It's entirely possible (if not plausible) that we are 3-1 DESPITE Rivera, not because of him.  So the record does not magically mean the coach is great.  He's not on the field, the players are.

Also, the defense that it's the players fault when they drop a pass or miss a block not being on Rivera is not legit.  True, a single instance of a mistake on the field should not be on Rivera.  But *consistent* mistakes are completely on him.  Absolutely.  For instance, this multi-year issue we have with getting to the line of scrimmage.  This has gone on for YEARS.  And it's STILL NOT FIXED.  That's all on Rivera.  100%.  We consistently give up time outs that are needed at the end of halves for that crap.  Rivera defenders will (incorrectly) state that Cam is taking too long, but this is exactly what I'm talking about.  If Cam did it once it would be on Cam.  Him doing it frequently over multiple years is ALL ON RIVERA.  A head coach's job is to fix that.  He hasn't.  So when we consistently make mistakes over and over it's not the players fault anymore, it's the coaches.  If Torry Smith drops one pass it's on Torry.  When he drops lots of passes and still gets a lot of play time...it's on Rivera.  

What Rivera has brought to the Panthers (bad game-clock management, bad play-clock management, bad player selection and bad motivation) could be done by any number of high school coaches.  Hence, it is my belief that we are worse with Rivera as head coach.  I know many others will disagree.  I just wanted to point out the inconsistencies of some of his defenders arguments.

So if you have 1pro bowl player and 1 all pro that means you should win the Superbowl every year. I will let the other 31 teams know they should be winning every game if they meet this requirement

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The failure to put team's away has turned into a self-fulfilling prophecy. When we're up by 10+ with 8 minutes left, we're all flinching, waiting for the mistakes to happen. The players feel the same way. I agree that the HC has to take the blame for not being able to fix it, but it's in our culture, and to change it will take more than firing Rivera. That 2nd interception was ugly and was the reason they were able to come back. Cam's fault. 

I do hate how we waste timeouts, especially in the 2nd half. I get the challenge that didn't go our way, but we should have 3 timeouts saved up for the end of the game. No excuses. 

 

But I disagree - firing Rivera isn't the answer. 

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