Panthers' home-run signing of Eric Reid solidifies David Tepper's status as NFL's most interesting owner

[Pup McBarky]

20 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

I choose to be part of the solution.

Tolerating bigotry is actively participating in it. You are the problem. Don't try to hide behind the golden rule, because that isn't what this is about at all. Thank God MLK understood this better than you do.

[PntherPryd]

I'm not going to try to sound like an expert but pretty sure Popper was talking about "unlimited" tolerance.  Not denigrating tolerance as an act of specific kindness nor as a benefit to society.

He was speaking as someone who watched the rise of fascism.

So basically, don't be a fugging sheep.  And yes, MLK knew that also.  But both were smart enough to know there is a balance.

 

 

[PntherPryd]

25 minutes ago, Pup McBarky said:

Tolerating bigotry is actively participating in it. You are the problem. Don't try to hide behind the golden rule, because that isn't what this is about at all. Thank God MLK understood this better than you do.

This is what I mean by not letting conversation rise to the level of personal attacks. 

Even if you are right and 55 is part of the collective "you", singling him out is not going to be allowed.   The shock value you create is not worth the damage to the board.  You essentially called him a bigot.  

I am trying to let a little bit of the Tinderbox into the main forum just because it is unrealistic to avoid all conversation about the topic and I also agree with our new safety that all can learn from talking about the subject.

But please phrase comments to avoid personally attacking a fellow poster for simply having an opinion.  They are allowed here.

[panthers55]

28 minutes ago, Pup McBarky said:

Tolerating bigotry is actively participating in it. You are the problem. Don't try to hide behind the golden rule, because that isn't what this is about at all. Thank God MLK understood this better than you do.

Apples and oranges. Institutional racism is totally different than two people seeing the same issue differently but not imposing their wishes or beliefs on the other. What Dr. King was fighting is not even close to what we are talking about which is two people seeing kneeling and interpreting it differently. Plus when you have an opinion and then actively impose your beliefs and will on another you have crossed a line. That is not what I am talking about here. Not even close

 

[PntherPryd]

18 hours ago, GRWatcher said:

I understand that Huddlers are all about the football and drinking on gameday. But if you're going to continually enter discussions about kneeling protests, either side, you need to pay attention to current events and educate yourselves. I see this question all the time and there are answers. The number of answers grows every day. The argument is not impossible unless you make it so. I do hope it is endless.

Here's the latest from the Players Coalition which Reid mentions as not wanting to associate with because it's associated with the NFL. I don't see association with the NFL as a bad thing; they can throw serious money behind initiatives.

Do not take what I quote here as the majority of this article because it is not. Take 3 minutes to read the whole thing.

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/football-players-coalition-the-fight-continues

Proud to see Torrey Smith's  name on the list as a Carolina Panther.  And Josh Norman's name as a former Panther on that list.  

 

[PanthersBigD]

8 minutes ago, PntherPryd said:

Proud to see Torrey Smith's  name on the list as a Carolina Panther.  And Josh Norman's name as a former Panther on that list.  

 

It's impossible for me, as a man, to read the impassioned writings of so many professional football players on the Players' Tribune, and then think they should just 'shut up and play football.' 

[panthers55]

32 minutes ago, PanthersBigD said:

It's impossible for me, as a man, to read the impassioned writings of so many professional football players on the Players' Tribune, and then think they should just 'shut up and play football.' 

Somehow we ended up on the wrong side here but I expect we do agree. I grew up in the 50s and 60s and watched what most people see as history unfold on the evening news. I know what racism looks like and dislike it immensely. I met and talked with Dr. King at one of his rallies.  I actively work for equality and fairness. Tolerating attitudes that differ from your own is very different than condoning institutional racism. This is the issue for me. The reason for the kneeling is totally justified. The fact the kneeling is misinterpreted clouds the whole issue of police violence against innocent black men. That is why I suggested a different symbol so the emphasis is not vilified for political purposes. I agree you don't tolerate abuse that impacts others. But I think you have a right to your opinion as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others. 

[PanthersBigD]

9 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Somehow we ended up on the wrong side here but I expect we do agree. I grew up in the 50s and 60s and watched what most people see as history unfold on the evening news. I know what racism looks like and dislike it immensely. I met and talked with Dr. King at one of his rallies.  I actively work for equality and fairness. Tolerating attitudes that differ from your own is very different than condoning institutional racism. This is the issue for me. The reason for the kneeling is totally justified. The fact the kneeling is misinterpreted clouds the whole issue of police violence against innocent black men. That is why I suggested a different symbol so the emphasis is not vilified for political purposes. I agree you don't tolerate abuse that impacts others. But I think you have a right to your opinion as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others. 

Sounds like we are on the same page mostly. I would argue that changing to a different symbol would be met with the same type of subversion from those that make the big deal out of the kneeling. Kaepernick changed his actions after a discussion with an actual veteran, and has stated numerous times that it has nothing to do with disrespecting the flag. What I'm trying to say is, if someone is bound and determined to smear you/derail your narrative, then no amount of compromise on your part will lead to progress. If I thought changing his protest would make a difference and not also be undermined by the supposed flag/anthem/troop 'respecters' then I would be all for it. 

[panthers55]

15 minutes ago, PanthersBigD said:

Sounds like we are on the same page mostly. I would argue that changing to a different symbol would be met with the same type of subversion from those that make the big deal out of the kneeling. Kaepernick changed his actions after a discussion with an actual veteran, and has stated numerous times that it has nothing to do with disrespecting the flag. What I'm trying to say is, if someone is bound and determined to smear you/derail your narrative, then no amount of compromise on your part will lead to progress. If I thought changing his protest would make a difference and not also be undermined by the supposed flag/anthem/troop 'respecters' then I would be all for it. 

And while I disagree that changing the symbol would be wasted given that patriotism and the flag are hot button issues that other symbols would avoid, again I respect your opinion even if it different from my own. That is the type of tolerance I am talking about. Something missing in the discourse today. 

[Black&Blue]

The Panthers needed a safety.  Marty Hurney signed a safety.  You guys are doing all sorts of virtue signaling and mental gymnastics for no reason.

[USC/panthers_11]

On 10/2/2018 at 4:38 PM, Chaos said:

Haha no one cares you say?  I hate to break it to you newb but this city, community, and fan base is unfortunately full of bigots and small-minded folk who have put his beliefs and their anger over his beliefs above football.  Not sure how you don't see that, unless you've gone full sarcasm and I missed it.

Are you actually implying you're a bigot if you bo a person for taking a knee when the national anthem plays? This board is out of control. 

[Chaos]

2 hours ago, USC/panthers_11 said:

Are you actually implying you're a bigot if you bo a person for taking a knee when the national anthem plays? This board is out of control. 

Nah, but small-minded yes.

[Moo Daeng]

2 hours ago, USC/panthers_11 said:

Are you actually implying you're a bigot if you bo a person for taking a knee when the national anthem plays? This board is out of control. 

It could be out of bigotry but I certainly think its out of a shallow definition of patriotism and symbol worship over appreciation of what they represent.  I