Eric Washington/Luke Kuechly vs Mike Shula this week

[Toomers]

3 minutes ago, Snake said:

So you're saying Shula is a QB coach? Like answer the question with a answer not more questions. Or you just making this up as you go along? 

Shurmer said he was the QB coach. Or is he not qualified to answer? 

Try to keep up

[Snake]

1 minute ago, Toomers said:

Here you go again. Just like when you ignored it the first 5 times you’ve been told about it. I proved it. You walked.

 

Toomers    

Posted September 25

   On 9/25/2018 at 10:38 AM,  Snake said: 

Why don't you just prove me wrong then? Yeah that's because you can't. All you can do is insult me cause you're that pathetic. 

 OK....here is the EXACT stipulation, in the original contract, only took 2 minutes to find.

• 2018 Option Bonus: $10M (must be exercised by 3/19/2018)
  If not exercised, the $10M converts to salary, and $11M 2018 salary fully guarantees

  What this means is Hurney had two choices. Take all 10M against the cap THIS year. Or spread it over the next 4 years. Which he did.  There is not a GM in NFL history that would have made a different choice. 

  So, there it is. Now, explain what he did wrong? Considering you are the one thatbrought it up, this better be good. 

Stay on topic man. We are talking about Shula. 

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, Snake said:

Stay on topic man. We are talking about Shula. 

 And you refuse to accept facts then just as you’re doing now. And every time someone disputes your ridiculous statements. You just told me to prove it again. Do you have A condition or something? 

[Snake]

2 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Shurmer said he was the QB coach. Or is he not qualified to answer? 

Try to keep up

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22419862/new-york-giants-hire-mike-shula-new-offensive-coordinator

https://www.google.com/amp/s/giantswire.usatoday.com/2018/07/24/new-york-giants-mike-shula-ready-lead-offense-back-prominence/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bigblueview.com/platform/amp/2018/9/7/17829406/mike-shula-looking-forward-to-ny-giants-versatile-offense-debuting-on-sunday-jaguars-kyle-lauletta

Hmmmmm

[panthers55]

29 minutes ago, Toomers said:

So Shurmer just picks plays that Shula suggests? That’s what you’re going with. Shula hands him a sheet and Shurmer just calls them in order? That’s hilarious

   I want one person to tell me how to evaluate Shula? Anyone? It won’t be you, that much we know. That would require actual knowledge. 

This will be my last take on this since you won't admit you are wrong and will argue whether you have a.point or not. If you think a game plan is simple or just calling plays you don't have a clue. OCs watch hours of film on the opposing defense to find weaknesses and matchups they can exploit. They draw up 30-40 plays for different down and distances that they are going to use. They go over the plays with their staff and assign duties and make a practice schedule of what they are going to do when and develop personnel packages based on the strength or weaknesses of their opponent and what they like to do on defense in certain situations.  Then they coordinate practices work with their people and so on. Now I  could include  30 more duties which doesn't include all the things Shula has to do to work with Eli and the other quarterbacks to make sure all of them are ready. Shurmur will have input but he can't possibly do everything on his plate unless most of the work is done by Shula and his staff. 

I can tell you how to evaluate Shula. Listen to his head coach when he talks about his staff. Otherwise who cares what you or I think. It isn't important what anyone thinks except the guy writing the checks. Secondly, watch how prepared Eli is to execute the game plan and see how he develops over time. Third like in the Saca thread about the Giants look at the play design where OBJ was wide open but Eli threw short due to lack of trust in his line. That play design was good and likely Shula drew it up given he is known for creative play designs with criticism for lack of adjustments and situational play calling. So to say Scott Turner does the same thing that Shula does is naive at best especially since Shula does both Turner's job with the exception of calling plays on Sunday. Sure Shurmur has oversight and ultimate say but is unlikely to involve himself in all the small details he leaves to Shula and his staff.

[Toomers]

Just now, Snake said:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22419862/new-york-giants-hire-mike-shula-new-offensive-coordinator

https://www.google.com/amp/s/giantswire.usatoday.com/2018/07/24/new-york-giants-mike-shula-ready-lead-offense-back-prominence/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bigblueview.com/platform/amp/2018/9/7/17829406/mike-shula-looking-forward-to-ny-giants-versatile-offense-debuting-on-sunday-jaguars-kyle-lauletta

Hmmmmm

Wow. A bunch of articles that emphasize he will not be calling plays. At all. Any point to any of these besides proving the point that his duties are much more similar to most QB coaches than OCs. 

[Snake]

Just now, Toomers said:

Wow. A bunch of articles that emphasize he will not be calling plays. At all. Any point to any of these besides proving the point that his duties are much more similar to most QB coaches than OCs. 

I see you don't understand what a OC really does. It's ok son I'm sure me and everyone else will teach you the difference from a QB coach and OC. 

[Car123]

 

2 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Wow. A bunch of articles that emphasize he will not be calling plays. At all. Any point to any of these besides proving the point that his duties are much more similar to most QB coaches than OCs. 

OC's do a lot more than you think. 

[Toomers]

3 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

This will be my last take on this since you won't admit you are wrong and will argue whether you have a.point or not. If you think a game plan is simple or just calling plays you don't have a clue. OCs watch hours of film on the opposing defense to find weaknesses and matchups they can exploit. They draw up 30-40 plays for different down and distances that they are going to use. They go over the plays with their staff and assign duties and make a practice schedule of what they are going to do when and develop personnel packages based on the strength or weaknesses of their opponent and what they like to do on defense in certain situations.  Then they coordinate practices work with their people and so on. Now I  could include  30 more duties which doesn't include all the things Shula has to do to work with Eli and the other quarterbacks to make sure all of them are ready. Shurmur will have input but he can't possibly do everything on his plate unless most of the work is done by Shula and his staff. 

I can tell you how to evaluate Shula. Listen to his head coach when he talks about his staff. Otherwise who cares what you or I think. It isn't important what anyone thinks except the guy writing the checks. Secondly, watch how prepared Eli is to execute the game plan and see how he develops over time. Third like in the Saca thread about the Giants look at the play design where OBJ was wide open but Eli threw short due to lack of trust in his line. That play design was good and likely Shula drew it up given he is known for creative play designs with criticism for lack of adjustments and situational play calling.

 Explain to me what I’m supposed to admit I’m wrong about. Not with your passive aggressive BS. What did you post all that crap for? Who are you trying to impress. I’ve lived a coaches(plus student) schedule. Have Inever said he doesn’t work?  Does any of that change that he can’t be held responsible for the eventual outcome, because he’s not the final word.Ever.

   And I’m talking about evaluating him now, at his current job. Like everyone seems to want to do. Most are just trying to fit the narrative into their personal agendas(not you, in general). His coaches comments were in the Spring, before the season. You seem to want to paint me as a Shula hater when all I’ve ever said is it is a non-issue because he’s not calling plays. And he not here. So go defend him to someone that gives a poo. 

[Snake]

4 minutes ago, Toomers said:

 Explain to me what I’m supposed to admit I’m wrong about. Not with your passive aggressive BS. What did you post all that crap for? Who are you trying to impress. I’ve lived a coaches(plus student) schedule. Have Inever said he doesn’t work?  Does any of that change that he can’t be held responsible for the eventual outcome, because he’s not the final word.Ever.

   And I’m talking about evaluating him now, at his current job. Like everyone seems to want to do. Most are just trying to fit the narrative into their personal agendas(not you, in general). His coaches comments were in the Spring, before the season. You seem to want to paint me as a Shula hater when all I’ve ever said is it is a non-issue because he’s not calling plays. And he not here. So go defend him to someone that gives a poo. 

Because he just stated facts like everyone else on this topic but you. Just because you get the last word doesn't mean you're right. 

[Toomers]

15 minutes ago, Snake said:

I see you don't understand what a OC really does. It's ok son I'm sure me and everyone else will teach you the difference from a QB coach and OC. 

  Wow. That’s where you’re going? I’ve explained more in one post than you could in a year and you want to turn to “knowledge”.?  Good one.....

   You want me to post the last time we had this conversation? Got it ready too. 

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, Snake said:

Because he just stated facts like everyone else on this topic but you. Just because you get the last word doesn't mean you're right. 

No. It’s all the sensible ones before the last one that make me right. Always in your case. The assumptions are how much he is involved in the game plan. Which no one knows. That not fact. The only fact is he doesn’t call plays. 

[Toomers]

20 minutes ago, Car123 said:

 

OC's do a lot more than you think. 

  Should I take that from your years of coaching experience? We both know better than that. 

[wud35]

4 hours ago, Pejorative Miscreant said:

Lady’s and gentlemen,

Presenting Mike Shula’s offensive playbook. 

I had one of this and it was awesome.