Eric Reid Press Conference

[WarHeel]

8 minutes ago, Mage said:

Probably because minorities on average can't afford it as easily as white people on average.  It doesn't mean black people are born with the mentality to not care about education.  

And again, values instilled in a family are still tied to the system.   I forgot who did the study (Dan Gilbert maybe?  Or someone in his book), but lower-income families are more likely to promote and value outward qualities (such as following authority and such) whereas a higher-income family is more likely to promote inward qualities (for example, critical thinking and leadership).  So even if minorities are more likely to not value education, it is still tied to the system.  LIS, it isn't like minorities are born and immediately just happen to value education less than white people do.  There is a reason for it.

This is what people overlook when it comes to systematic oppression.  You can't just look at one case and judge based off that.  It is a LONG trickle-down process.  

I would argue minorities have many more incentives to further their education than the average white male.

[Mage]

Just now, WarHeel said:

I would argue minorities have many more incentives to further their education than the average white male.

You could argue that, and I wouldn’t disagree, but having more incentives doesn’t suddenly make it easier. 

[TheSpecialJuan]

tremendous things going on here 

[WarHeel]

2 minutes ago, Mage said:

You could argue that, and I wouldn’t disagree, but having more incentives doesn’t suddenly make it easier. 

Furthering your education is never an easy thing, for anyone. And it’s why many choose not to do it. It takes considerable effort and it’s not a knock on anyone who doesn’t go that route. 

 

Fiscally, it makes more sense in this day to go the trade route or learn your craft fresh out of high school. No significant debt, jobs readily available and you are earning for a minimum of 4 years while others are acruing debt.

[Definitely Not Trolling]

24 minutes ago, Mage said:

I don't think you understand the concept of systematic oppression.  
 

Nobody is saying black people are automatically absolved from poor decisions they may or may not make (hence why Reid and Kaepernick are so focused on programs for inner-city students, which are predominately minorties).  But unless you think there is something in their DNA that makes them more prone to, for example, graduate at a far lower rate than white people, then I'm not sure how you don't realize it is tied to the system.

It's a cycle.  Minorities such as black people are more likely to grow up in a poor neighborhood, thus they are more likely to go to a poor school, thus are more likely to fall in bad traps.  It's a system that is hard to escape because the system doesn't give people that many outlets.  Not everyone grows up with a fair opportunity to escape.

One thing that would help is more funding for inner-city schools, but nope.  Go to a nice suburban school in Raleigh (like I went to) or a good college campus in Charlotte (like UNCC where I attend), and then go to a school like St. Aug or a high school/elementary school in the middle of nowhere and tell me the kids at those schools have the same chances.  You'd be a fool to think they do.

Id be a fool if i believed that you are systematically oppressed with the amount of opportunity that is presented in America. It doesn't matter if your parents are poor, if you go to a shitty school, or if people around you are convicts.

Do good in school and don't get involved with idiots, and the world is yours. That's not a lot of rules in life to follow to be successful.

[TheSpecialJuan]

wowzers 

[luke nukem]

3 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

tremendous things going on here 

I just dont have the effort to go thru 30 pages. idk how we got here but I could care less about any pressers, I just want him to pick off Eli come sunday.

[Mage]

2 minutes ago, Definitely Not Trolling said:

Id be a fool if i believed that you are systematically oppressed with the amount of opportunity that is presented in America. It doesn't matter if your parents are poor, if you go to a shitty school, or if people around you are convicts.

Do good in school and don't get involved with idiots, and the world is yours. That's not a lot of rules in life to follow to be successful.

I’m sure you make 100k+ easy then.

[ImaginaryKev]

13 minutes ago, WarHeel said:

I appreciate you not generalizing me as many have done.

 

Obsviously, as ive already stated in a previous post, the gap is “race-related.” Women and minorities alike share the challenge of salary equality in many (but not all) settings.

 

However, my argument this entire post has been that there is equal opportunity for all to excel and prosper  in life and where salary is a concern for some, a crippling amount of debt post graduation might be something that some might not have to deal with due to opportunity that is given to them because of the color of their skin. 

 

I don’t want to equate one hardship for another, just simply stating that certain systems in our work force and education system are questionable. And that is not solely a minority thing.

 

As I have had others tell me, I can’t speak for them. Just like others can’t speak for me: a white guy who graduated a HBCU with nearly 200k in debt while others in his class had the opportunity to start life fresh out of grad school with no grad school loans and stipends to pay their way through. Those opportunities were nor afforded to me, even though my application to the university read “Caucasian and other-Native American.”

You make good points but you tried to dismiss black people's hardships by bringing up the hardships of people in other countries, and your last paragraph sounds bitter because people who went to school with you graduated with less debt than you. You know there's a reason for minority scholarships, right? There's an entire historical context as to why HBCUs exists and why minority scholarships exists and your being around black people doesn't make you an arbiter of what black people are allowed to protest for. 

Again, i don't think you're racist, but maybe narcissistic applies

[TheSpecialJuan]

2 minutes ago, luke nukem said:

I just dont have the effort to go thru 30 pages. idk how we got here but I could care less about any pressers, I just want him to pick off Eli come sunday.

you should make the effort, this thread is hilarious   

[Matthias]

12 minutes ago, WarHeel said:

I would argue minorities have many more incentives to further their education than the average white male.

What incentives?  Besides that, keep in mind this chart.....

[LegioX]

48 minutes ago, ImaginaryKev said:

Stop being bitter bc you're often wrong and can't deal with it

Whatever you say Yoda. 

[ImaginaryKev]

This shows how black people have never been able to protest:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/10/colin-kaepernick/541845/

This shows how hard it is to overcome poverty, despite incentive:

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/04/economic-inequality/524610/?utm_source=fbia

Race is a factor. 

[WarHeel]

3 minutes ago, ImaginaryKev said:

You make good points but you tried to dismiss black people's hardships by bringing up the hardships of people in other countries, and your last paragraph sounds bitter because people who went to school with you graduated with less debt than you. You know there's a reason for minority scholarships, right? There's an entire historical context as to why HBCUs exists and why minority scholarships exists and your being around black people doesn't make you an arbiter of what black people are allowed to protest for. 

Again, i don't think you're racist, but maybe narcissistic applies

Was never an intention on being dismissive. It was to create awareness that Americans in general have significant affordabilities that aren’t offered elsewhere. It’s what makes this country so great. Too often we hear opinions from those who have not had to endure those kinds of tyranny. I have the privilege of hearing those things first hand form a great man. Wish he had a larger platform for his voice because it would create a greater level of appreciation for what all of us, regardless of race, have in this country.