Seahawks asking two 2nd round picks for thomas

[beastson]

Hell yes if you're tying to win a Superbowl.

[Dex]

He wants to play for the Cowboys we'd be wasting our picks on a one year rental. Great player but pass.

[iamhubby1]

20 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

i mean andrew luck's arm looks dead right now so do you really want to go there?

cam's going to change or he's not going to go deep into his 30s. i mean if you want to rely on a 30+ year old quarterback the way cam has been relied upon throughout his career then be my guest but that's probably not the smartest bet you could make. and when (not if) he does change, he will be sacrificing part of what makes him so valuable and so unstoppable. right now he's at a point in his career where he can still be relied upon to do those things. imo we should capitalize on the otherworldly talent and productivity he brings to the field right now. but if you think that we will be in a better position to win a super bowl when cam is well into his 30s and those picks have finally developed to a point of relevance (and several of the vets we rely on today have retired or changed teams) then i can't help you.

pinning your hopes on future draft picks as your top tier talents age is the kind of shell game i would expect from a franchise like the browns tbh. though prior to tepper the only thing separating this team from the browns was cam newton so im not all that surprised to see it from this fan base.

i want to win a super bowl. losing luke is a concern whether we keep the picks or not because he has serious health concerns. you can go for it now while he's here and healthy or you can hope that he doesn't suffer any more concussions while gambling on picks. there's no gamble when it comes to the game changing ability of earl thomas. 

if cam is able to continue to play the game the way he does at a high level while eventually retiring on his own terms then that will be unprecedented. his body has taken more punishment than any other quarterback in the game. gamble on that at your own risk. he's in his prime and able to play like this TODAY. i would rather go for it TODAY. it's not that hard.

safeties age decently in the nfl. i imagine a (borderline?) hall of fame safety, even at the age of 30, still has some quality years left in him. i've also said i doubt the seahawks net two 2nd round picks and most of the talk i've seen has been centered on one 2nd round pick (including schefter today). you do a 2nd round pick and don't look back. i was right about khalil mack before he was traded and i have a feeling im gonna be right about earl thomas.

 

    Go for it. I think we are in great shape right now. We are in no way shape or form watching that window close. Go ahead and trade future assets for a one year rental. Me? I will stay the course, and ride Cam and his unique talents. I am in no way worried about Cam.

 

    I just think it is disingenuous to believe Cam cannot be effective down the road. I also think it is folly to just take for granted Cam will not be Cam as he ages. Sure there will come a time when he will have to slow his roll. But people calling for that to happen ahead of time kinda irk me. 

 

    But go ahead and play this out as if our window is closing. To heck with the future. 

[Ivan The Awesome]

3 hours ago, Trill OG said:

Bell for Thomas makes sense for both teams. Damn near a perfect trade for both teams.

As far as Thomas I think Reid was our last big move of the season.

Hurney could make a trade for someone but I agree, this is probably will be our last big move. 

[Toomers]

30 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

i mean andrew luck's arm looks dead right now so do you really want to go there?

 

WTF do you think my point was? Those two are plain beat up and they play a style you suggest Cam will have to change to. So which is it? 

[Toomers]

12 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

andrew luck's injuries predate this season. you know, back when he was lowering his shoulder into dudes and proudly taking shots to the point that he was complimenting defenders on their hits but hey, thanks for playing. also i've specifically made reference to cam's use as a SHORT YARDAGE BACK. are you of the belief that cam is safer when he's being used as a s-h-o-r-t y-a-r-d-a-g-e b-a-c-k? scrambling is a-ok and i've never once suggested otherwise. the designed runs and options that leave him exposed to hits in s-h-o-r-t y-a-r-d-a-g-e s-i-t-u-a-t-i-o-n-s are dangerous and it is not sustainable into his 30s.

please don't quote me if this is how you're going to conduct yourself.

 And Luck and Rodgers and Brady and Manning. All missed seasons or most of one. I know all to well about Luck’s issue. Dates back before we played them in 2015. But Luck or any of those guys don’t do any short yardage work besides a QB sneak rarely. Yet still get hurt. Because scrambling is OK, right? 

   And believe me, I’ll address you any way I want to if you address me with your condescending attitude. Who are you supposed to be?

[Snake]

We have a saftey just as good so no. 

[Cpt slay a ho]

I’m personally tired of seeing the defense get smoked by the saints and falcons, and any other team that has a prolific passing game. 

 

Again 2 2nds is too rich but I would like to hear our name in discussion, I like Reid but the expectations are quite high and Adams is still a liability in the passing defense 

[iamhubby1]

34 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

im not saying that and i would appreciate it if you would stick to addressing the things i've said. he can absolutely be *effective* because he's an elite passer. im not worried one bit about him losing that. but if he and the team (smartly) limit his carries in close spaces then his overall impact will be diminished. that's not really up for debate.

good thing im not doing that! i literally said that we should capitalize on it right now while he's healthy and able to do those things!

the window could close in an instant. and it's not a window at all if you never go for it. and no, waiting around for cam to repeat 2015 (one of the greatest seasons of all time) doesn't qualify as "going for it"

 

    Everything you say circles back to the fact you believe Cam can't be Cam much longer. That in effect, our window is closing.

 

    Which is what this whole debate is about. You think Cams window is closing. Some of us believe Cam can be Cam quite a bit longer. 

 

    What if Cam CAN be Cam for another 5-6 years? Will you still be happy that we spent 2 2nds on a 1 year rental, when we could use those picks down the line? 

 

    Folks have been underestimating Cam his whole life. Now we have Panther fans who are doing the same thing.

[iamhubby1]

7 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

so because they got hurt and weren't being used as short yardage backs then using your quarterback as a short yardage back is...good and sustainable? is that your "point"? no wonder i didn't get it earlier. it's nonsensical. sometimes when people cant make sense of what you're saying it's actually a you problem, hth

 

    So, because other QBs get hurt. You are taking it for granted Cam will? Sounds logical.

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

so because they got hurt and weren't being used as short yardage backs then using your quarterback as a short yardage back is...good and sustainable? is that your "point"? no wonder i didn't get it earlier. it's nonsensical. sometimes when people cant make sense of what you're saying it's actually a you problem, hth

No. The point is he is prepared for those and they are usually much less impactful than the cheap shots in the pocket and headshots when he scrambles. You’re claiming he has to stop the one thing he’s never been hurt doing? 

 We’re not putting him in a glass case anytime soon. That’s the point. Wanting to make ridiculous trades because of an imaginary window is what is nonsensical.

 

[Cpt slay a ho]

Everyone saying Thomas to the cowboys in free agency, that’s not a done deal by far, if dak isn’t the answer cowboys may very well go into rebuild mode, not sure earl wants to spend his last 3-4 years with a unknown rookie qb. As of recently the issue isn’t money more so he wants an extension, I don’t see him being traded to a team, them winning 11-12 games, then him leaving to go to the cowboys who could very well go 5-11 or 6-10

[Toomers]

Just now, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

also have either of you ever stopped to think why running backs tend to have such short careers? it's usually not because of one brutal injury but years of wear and tear. those hits take a toll. this isn't hard.

 Wow! I never heard of that. Seriously? How many of those RBs carried 3-5 times a game? 

  So this is why we should make an irrational trade for a player that will be here for 12 or so games? I never would have thought of this as I look at my swollen knee from playing RB...LOL.

[Sevy87]

If it was guaranteed he signed at least 3 yrs & we had the money. I would be down for 2 3rds. Don’t think we have that many holes that need to be filled. Helps us win now even more.