Ridley>Moore?

[PantherOnTheProwl1523]

8 minutes ago, TheRed said:

I'm trying to be consistent. I was a vocal KB guy, I've defended Funchess quite a bit as well. When the time came to call things for what they are however, I have been openly critical of both. Obviously KB had his meltdown which made it crystal clear who he is. But Funchess doesn't have the built in excuses anymore. He isn't a rookie 3 games into his career. He can't keep playing small. He can't keep getting outmuscled by smaller DB's. He can't keep letting passes go right through his hands.

Now as far as Ridley and Moore go, I avoided the draft talk this year almost entirely specifically because of the amount of angst you've been putting on display since April. I don't think I so much as posted once about either of them before we drafted Moore. If it turns out Moore sucks I will be just as disappointed as you. I was fine with drafting either because WR was unequivocally where we needed to go in round 1, but I knew these 2 guys would be forever linked no matter which one we selected with our pick. There were legitimate cases to be made for both.

So, can we at least see how DJ looks against the Giants (only his 4th career game) before we send Ridley to the hall of fame and declare our guy a bust? That's all I'm saying.

Ridley may be good now but that can change and he starts playing terrible and on the other hand Moore hasn't been able to actually prove himself yet but he can turn out like Steve Smith Sr. We will never know until or even if that time will come or not. Hopefully it will.

[*FreeFua*]

18 minutes ago, TheRed said:

So, can we at least see how DJ looks against the Giants (only his 4th career game) before we send Ridley to the hall of fame and declare our guy a bust? That's all I'm saying.

And I’m not saying DJ will be a bust. Granted I wasn’t a fan during the draft process but obviously I’ve been wrong before and I’m going to be wrong again at some point. I think DJ could be a really good slot WR (said that on draft night) but I don’t think he can play on the outside which is my biggest problem with this entire thing.

We had already signed Jarius Wright to play the slot so I’m not so sure why they felt Moore was needed after that. Ridley however is an outside WR which we could desperately use in place of Torrey Smith and could potentially need even more next season if we let Funchess walk. On top of all of this McCaffery is also capable of being put in the slot so drafting Moore didn’t make a ton of sense in the big picture. 

I’d love nothing more than for Moore to ball out this weekend. Look around the league, teams are putting up serious points these days and as it stands right now we’re in dire need of Moore being every bit of who they thought he was if we want to compete come January. 

[TheRed]

8 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

And I’m not saying DJ will be a bust. Granted I wasn’t a fan during the draft process but obviously I’ve been wrong before and I’m going to be wrong again at some point. I think DJ could be a really good slot WR (said that on draft night) but I don’t think he can play on the outside which is my biggest problem with this entire thing.

We had already signed Jarius Wright to play the slot so I’m not so sure why they felt Moore was needed after that. Ridley however is an outside WR which we could desperately use in place of Torrey Smith and could potentially need even more next season if we let Funchess walk. On top of all of this McCaffery is also capable of being put in the slot so drafting Moore didn’t make a ton of sense in the big picture. 

I’d love nothing more than for Moore to ball out this weekend. Look around the league, teams are putting up serious points these days and as it stands right now we’re in dire need of Moore being every bit of who they thought he was if we want to compete come January. 

You do make some valid points in relation to the direction of the WR core. I'm not entirely discounting that as rubbish because it certainly isn't. We know this because we've closely followed the Carolina Panthers known for baffling personnel mismanagement.

But unfortunately you being right in this context means we likely inevitably face yet another losing season while Cam and Luke are in their primes. I can't stomach that possibility this early so I'm going to choose to be optimistic as long as I can.

[Varking]

1 hour ago, *FreeFua* said:

I took A LOT of poo on draft night for saying we whiffed big time on the Moore/Ridley situation. So it’s a little annoying to see this all unfolding right now. Hurney gets paid millions to make decisions I can call from my couch.

Yes, obviously Ridley is in an ideal situation with dudes like Jones, Sanu and a pass first offense BUT Ridley is one of the better route runners in the entire league. He is more than capable of getting himself open.

But c’mon... “keep doing you though”? Surely you must be able to see the irony in that statement coming from you, no?

1) Everyone gets drafts wrong. I am sure there are other players in the draft you wanted that aren't panning out. I am sure if you look back at the past five drafts you probably preferred other players over who we took as a team. I know I did. But I also recognize that those players I wanted might not be who they became had they been with us since the draft. We all have hits and we all have misses. So to the point of Hurney getting paid millions to make these choices doesn't really hold water. We don't know who gave him what information or if he listened to Cam or Ron or Norv on if these players fall in the draft would you prefer DJ or Calvin? We don't know. Starting with I got a lot of crap... makes it sound like you are super bitter and just post to point out how right you are on a single draft pick. Comments like this also don't really add to the discussion.

 

2) Ridley absolutely SHOULD be getting better production his rookie year than DJ. Most people believed he was the better route runner with a lower ceiling than Moore. Moore has higher upside but was much more raw. He will take some time to come along and that is ok. The Falcons picked a hell of a player in the draft especially at that slot value but at the same time, they picked a guy not contributing to wins. They should have picked defense the first 3-4 rounds. That is how poor their defense is. 

 

3) Both of you are just going in circles taking shots and making this a way longer thread than it needed to be. Ridley isn't here. He isn't coming here. Even if he was here we wouldn't be using him the same. Julio literally gets triple teams. After one big game here people would be doubling Ridley and shut him down and we are back to the same spot we are in now. 

[*FreeFua*]

Talk about going in circles and making this thread longer than it needed to be...

[Varking]

13 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Talk about going in circles and making this thread longer than it needed to be...

See what I mean about not contributing? Its almost like you just post because you feel like you have to hit some sort of post quota each day. Sometimes you have responses that are really thought out and it makes it enjoyable to read. 

Say what you want about Ridley, he and Julio have about the same yards per catch around 17, but Ryan is more accurate going to Ridley and Ridley has 12 of his 15 catches resulting in first downs. Crazy. 

[rippadonn]

NFL= Not, For, Long

Don't judge a player until he does it again in his second and third year. Many guys were good until everybody had tape on them to study. Some well paid people are figuring out how to take away what a player does best.

10yrs from now I think the answer will be DJ, no doubt.

[Definitely Not Trolling]

Theres no point in figuring out who is better till DJ Moore starts getting targets. But after that one 50+ yard catch breaking through 3 people, I dont doubt his skills. I just need to see more of him

[Immortal]

Ridley would look like Moore right now if he was in Carolina. Were not the type of team to take chances as far as coaches and player management. Ridley can be the GIMMIE THE BALL kind of wr in Atlanta because they allow that. We are a little more robotic and stoic. Falcons offense can explode for 3 touchdowns. We might run the ball 3 and out for an entire quarter. Its just a different style.

 

[CRA]

opportunity.   until both are comparable we won't know. 

Moore has 4 targets

Ridley has 21 targets 

CJ Anderson could look better than Todd Gurley if he got 30 carries and Gurley got 5. 

[Borat]

3 & 4 games. 

That and Ridley plays in an offense  that -- necessitated by defensive frailty -- plays at a breakneck pace and relies heavily upon their air attack, catching balls from a QB who passes more often, (slightly this season, markedly so historically) more accurately, and deeper.

Jury is still 95% out on both players. 

[AU-panther]

I wonder how much the similarities with Smith influenced our decision to draft Moore.

I thought Moore tested better at the combine, but every time I saw Ridley play he seemed open.

[Borat]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

opportunity.   until both are comparable we won't know. 

Moore has 4 targets

Ridley has 21 targets 

CJ Anderson could look better than Todd Gurley if he got 30 carries and Gurley got 5. 

Sure, but it's a chicken / egg thing. Haven't seen the tape, but if Ridley has ~5x the targets because he's getting open and Moore isn't, you can't give credit for 'phantom stats.' That said, if he's being unfairly ignored for open looks, you very much have a case. 

[CRA]

18 hours ago, Borat said:

Sure, but it's a chicken / egg thing. Haven't seen the tape, but if Ridley has ~5x the targets because he's getting open and Moore isn't, you can't give credit for 'phantom stats.' That said, if he's being unfairly ignored for open looks, you very much have a case. 

don't need to waste time studying routes.   You got to actually be in the field to even get a target.  Snap count don't lie.   

Ridley plays a lot.  Moore doesn't.  Lot of Moore's snaps have been BS backfield decoy stuff too. 

Take Moore's 50 yard TD.  He got it because he ran it earlier and got wide ass open then as well.  Ain't about one getting open the other not. 

You can also listen to the coaches, Quinn put an emphasis on getting Ridley involved.  Rivera said the opposite.   Opportunity.